Still struggling with distortions.

  • I don’t think the sample rate is the issue as that would tend to be set at the interface which seems to be working OK in your case. It might be possible that your project is running at a different sample rate than the interface but I’m not familiar with Cubase.


    The most likely culprit is something on the DAW channel or master bus that is active by mistake or, you are hearing two different signals at he same time causing phase alignment issues. However, the phase problem would be more likely if you were monitoring off the input and the channel at the same time. In your case it sounds like the issue is there on playback when you aren’t playing at the same time so you would need to be recording two signals simultaneously that are a little out of time with each other. It is possible but probably unlikely.

  • I don’t think the sample rate is the issue as that would tend to be set at the interface which seems to be working OK in your case. It might be possible that your project is running at a different sample rate than the interface but I’m not familiar with Cubase.


    The most likely culprit is something on the DAW channel or master bus that is active by mistake or, you are hearing two different signals at he same time causing phase alignment issues. However, the phase problem would be more likely if you were monitoring off the input and the channel at the same time. In your case it sounds like the issue is there on playback when you aren’t playing at the same time so you would need to be recording two signals simultaneously that are a little out of time with each other. It is possible but probably unlikely.

    My kemper is set to 44.1 my interface sample rate is 44.1 khz (Clock source S/PDIF) S/PDIF Source RCA. My Cubase project settings are...

    Sample rate: 44.100khz

    Bit Depth: 24 bit.

    My S/PDIF output on the Kemper is "Master Stereo".

    Could it be the "ADD CHANNEL" in cubase im getting wrong?...im presented with quite a few options of which channel to add if that makes sense.

    I usually click "ADD CHANNEL" and select in the "audio input" section "S/PDIF 2 MONO" And in the "CONFIGURATION" section i select "MONO".

    Please forgive me if im being an absolute Noob my DAW education is purely trial and error and youtube videos its tough trying to explain what ya dont really understand lol.

    Again i thank you all for your patience and help.

  • I havn't listened to your samples (at work) but your discription of a phasey sound its exactly how I'd describe a problem I'm having at the moment and I've traced it to Reaper. Using Ableton Live it sounds fine, using no DAW at all and it sounds fine, headphones direct from Kemper is fine but as soon as Reaper is opened it sounds like muck - bad digital modeling from years ago with a phasey sound. I've actually been meaning to make a post on the Reaper forums about it but havn't got around to recording clips.


    I've tried on a laptop and a much more powerful desktop with a clean install and have the same problem each time. From Googling all I've found is there may be Fx on the input but in my case there isn't. As it happens on a clean install I'm thinking I've the Reaper input settings wrong but Reaper is pretty straightforward. I need to do more digging regardless.


    All that to say I don't have a solution for you, but at least know you're not alone :)

  • I havn't listened to your samples (at work) but your discription of a phasey sound its exactly how I'd describe a problem I'm having at the moment and I've traced it to Reaper. Using Ableton Live it sounds fine, using no DAW at all and it sounds fine, headphones direct from Kemper is fine but as soon as Reaper is opened it sounds like muck - bad digital modeling from years ago with a phasey sound. I've actually been meaning to make a post on the Reaper forums about it but havn't got around to recording clips.


    I've tried on a laptop and a much more powerful desktop with a clean install and have the same problem each time. From Googling all I've found is there may be Fx on the input but in my case there isn't. As it happens on a clean install I'm thinking I've the Reaper input settings wrong but Reaper is pretty straightforward. I need to do more digging regardless.


    All that to say I don't have a solution for you, but at least know you're not alone :)

    Thanks man! i thought i was losing my mind hahaha it just sounds like im running my guitar directly through a Metalzone directly into my PC haha like a fizzy hissy phazey frequency thats smothering the sound that no amount of EQing will get rid of...its really frustrating and its only when i play a recording back within my DAW (Cubase 10 pro) or if im monitoring the track in the DAW it just sounds like garbage.

    Sorry you are struggling with the same thing dude.

  • Yea, sounds like we have the exact same problem alright. I'm thinking it has to be something with the input settings on the DAW. The odd thing for me though is it sounds great through Ableton and then garbage through Reaper with Reaper on a new install (as in never installed on that PC, not just reinstalled). Going to have a proper dig at it tonight and over the weekend, I'll post back with results.

  • Soooo just went to make recordings to compare both. Fired up Reaper and the sound was fine...!? Closed Reaper, opened Ableton and sound was fine as usual. Closed Ableton, opened Reaper and the sound was awful again... So I recorded a riff and when I played it back it was......fine....?! I'm confused now lol...

  • that’s what I initially thought too Vinny. However, in Adam’s case it appears that he gets the problem on the recorded signal (ie on playback when there is only one signal present) so I wonder if there is some way that the signal chain is actually capturing both signals when recording.

  • that’s what I initially thought too Vinny. However, in Adam’s case it appears that he gets the problem on the recorded signal (ie on playback when there is only one signal preset) so I wonder if there is some way that the signal chain is actually capturing both signals when recording.

    Exactly! my kemper sounds fantastic through my HS7s then i record the tone but playback sounds like junk and nothing like what i hear when monitoring through my monitors.I really have no other way of describing it other than broken digital fizz especially sitting around the 5k -10k area even if i do a dramatic EQ cut its STILL there im certain its not an EQ problem im pretty sure its an internal DAW problem but i cant figure it out.

    Here is a single track recording nothing amazing just an example of that "Fizzy" broken digital sound im trying to explain lol i get this with ALL my guitars and all distortion profiles.This recording is un EQ'd just straight from the kemper pure cabinet disabled.

  • So if Ive got this right, Kemper - Monitors and Kemper - Interface - Monitors is all good. When you hear what you've recorded, its not so good.

    Try downloading Reaper. (Free Trial)
    If that doesn't make any difference, try out a different interface. I'd recommend RME.

    Let us know how it goes.

  • So if Ive got this right, Kemper - Monitors and Kemper - Interface - Monitors is all good. When you hear what you've recorded, its not so good.

    Try downloading Reaper. (Free Trial)
    If that doesn't make any difference, try out a different interface. I'd recommend RME.

    Let us know how it goes.

    Yeah Monitors and headphones in the kemper sound great...im pretty sure its not the interface (Clarett 4pre) its a pretty solid unit and i would be devastated if its that as it cost me quite a pretty penny lol im certain it must be something within my PC or DAW but im just not even sure where to begin.I also had this same experience with my previous interfaces.When ever i would use a distorted tone it always sounded terrible even using amp sims like Positive grid (before i got my kemper) they would be awful sounding the same fizzy broke noise.

    Clean sounds are not a problem it just seems to be distorted sounds.

    Ive been playing around today and switching around the Cabinets and it seems to be kinda fixing the fizzy harshness but its still there and it still has that broken digital cheap sound when i play back a recorded take.I also noticed when i monitor the guitar track via the DAW its horrid! and sounds nothing like what is coming out of my monitors or headphones when they are directly into my Kemper.

    Monitors direct out of Kemper FANTASTIC!

    Headphones direct out of Kemper FANTASTIC!

    Monitors direct out of Interface FANTASTIC!

    Recorded take in Cubase playback SH*TE!

    Its like my kemper is sending a killer sound to my interface and my interface takes that sound and passes it onto my PC where something is glitching and my Cubase doesn't know what to do with it and and just attacks it...with a chainsaw!! and spits it back out as a mess FML! lol

    Thanks again for all you dudes and your patience with my struggles its deeply appreciated.

    #determined \m/

  • This is a bit of a long shot but what level are you recording in the DAW. Turn on pre fader metering and check the real level. It could be that you are actually clipping in the DAW. I normally aim for around -12db to leave a decent amount of headroom.

    Cubase alerts me to any clipping and the levels are fine.Yeah i also set my SPDIF Volume to -12.0 db. and the Main Out -12db box is ticked.