Parametric EQ with frequencies graphic view

  • Hm prefer to use my fingers. But I will give it a go.

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  • Of course, but the relative image would be helpful: with the old editor Toaster was useful!

    how would it be helpful?


    visuals can get in the way of what and how you are hearing - after sound is translated to electrical stimuli in your ear it can actually be influenced by other information and is no longer objective.

  • how would it be helpful?


    visuals can get in the way of what and how you are hearing - after sound is translated to electrical stimuli in your ear it can actually be influenced by other information and is no longer objective.

    So every parametric eq plugin has a useless graphic view...

    I don't think sound engineers would agree! ;)

  • So every parametric eq plugin has a useless graphic view...

    I don't think sound engineers would agree! ;)

    actually many do - and in some of the higher end plug-ins like Sonnox Oxford you can disable the EQ curve view for the reasons mentioned above.

    models of the SSL, Manley and Neve EQs - no additional EQ curve is displayed.

    If the spectrum of the input/output is displayed, that's a different matter, since it makes it easier to pinpoint unwanted resonances.

  • If the spectrum of the input/output is displayed, that's a different matter, since it makes it easier to pinpoint unwanted resonances.

    Spectrum would be perfect with parametric eq: actually I have to record a track and I have to use a plugin to remove unwanted resonances!

  • I'm a recording engineer, and I would say both ways are useful. If I'm just working on tone shaping, I prefer something like a Pultec or SSL-style EQ, depending on what I'm doing...just turn knobs till it sounds good. But if I'm "fixing" a problematic track, using a digital EQ with a visual representation of the curve can be very helpful. Even better if you can see the spectrum plot of the audio in real time, such as with FabFilter or the Logic EQ.

  • actually many do - and in some of the higher end plug-ins like Sonnox Oxford you can disable the EQ curve view for the reasons mentioned above.

    models of the SSL, Manley and Neve EQs - no additional EQ curve is displayed.

    If the spectrum of the input/output is displayed, that's a different matter, since it makes it easier to pinpoint unwanted resonances.

    Models of SSL Manley etc don’t have a visual feedback JUST because they are MODELS of old hardware when technology didn’t allow a display.

    A visual feedback is always useful, especially if a frequency analysis is included. At a glance you can see how you eq’d a profile and...

    NO, not always you eq what you can hear, when I use high and low pass I often work on frequencies that I’m not hearing but that might be dangerous in a live situation with subs or harsh tweeters, again a frequency analyzer combined with eq would be a huge help.


    If you don’t want to show us a graphical feedback just don’t do it, we’ll survive, but please don’t teach us how is the job.

    I’m a freelance sound engineer since 1995 so I know what I’m talking about.

    Thanks

  • have a cup of tea and read OPs post/request again :)

    My post is a whole, pls don’t take a phrase trying to show something that I didn’t write that way.


    If you really want to take a part, I’d suggest this:

    “A visual feedback is always useful, especially if a frequency analysis is included.”
    or “NO, not always you eq what you can hear (..)”
    is it clear enough that I’m talking about the visual representation of the use of a parametric eq?


    Anyway when I talked about a “frequency analyzer” I was answering to YOUR statement “If the spectrum of the input/output is displayed, that's a different matter, since it makes it easier to pinpoint unwanted resonances.”

    so if that is OP post/request related or not you should ask it to yourself.

    After a cup of tea ?

  • Anyway when I talked about a “frequency analyzer” I was answering to YOUR statement “If the spectrum of the input/output is displayed, that's a different matter, since it makes it easier to pinpoint unwanted resonances.”

    that's the whole point - OP didn't request a frequency analyser view, he asked for a visual representation of the EQ curve, and it is perfectly accetable to question the usefulness of such a 'feature'.

    anyway, this is just my personal view on this matter and not official Kemper policy.


    I'd like however to point out that your way of writing in the posts above is lacking a certain politeness, approaching the line to unacceptable.

  • that's the whole point - OP didn't request a frequency analyser view, he asked for a visual representation of the EQ curve, and it is perfectly accetable to question the usefulness of such a 'feature'.

    anyway, this is just my personal view on this matter and not official Kemper policy.


    I'd like however to point out that your way of writing in the posts above is lacking a certain politeness, approaching the line to unacceptable.

    I also find unacceptable that your first answer to a request kindly made by a user is (with politeness):


    “use your ears, not your eyes ;)


    and then:


    how would it be helpful?

    visuals can get in the way of what and how you are hearing - after sound is translated to electrical stimuli in your ear it can actually be influenced by other information and is no longer objective.”
    (you maybe turn off the screen when recording to your DAW?)


    And then you took for two times a single phrase out of my post to show that I didn’t get the point.


    My statement was (I repeat with different words):

    a graphical feedback of the parametric eq is helpful, it is showed in every new digital eq except for the old analog emulations and if a frequency analyzer is included is even better.


    To me there is a basic misunderstanding;

    as a moderator your personal opinions shouldn't be included (just my opinion) and, in case you really need to tell what you think, is un respectful to just answer “use your ears, not your eyes ;)” to a request that's been made by a user. You give respect-you get respect.

    I (As an average user) can live without a visual feedback of the eq but I’ll not be a happy user if the Kemper company doesn’t show respect for my needs.