Kemper Kabinet - it should be able to take DAW direct input in the Aux input

  • The best would be, if you read carefully (again?) Main Manual 8.5, page 95, chapter KEMPER Kone. If you use it in different setup than recommended it will sound somehow, but nobody can tell you in advance how. You have to try it, maybe you will like it, maybe not. Who knows.

    Yes I've read the manual - your question of who knows, is exactly the whole purpose of my thread. I'm sure somebody does and it would be great to hear from them.

  • The Kone speaker needs a Kemper Profiler to mimic the sound of an FRFR speaker. Without a Profiler it will sound like a broadband speaker.

    This is also true for the Kabinet because it uses a Kone speaker.

    If you do not have a Profiler it is pointless to use a Kabinet unless you happen to like the sound of a broadband speaker.

    I guess what creates the confusion is that I refer to Aux in as the Aux input of the Profiler while you seem to refer to something else.

    Ok, this is a point that I think is not clear after reading the manual.


    You seem to be saying the default state is not FRFR but that is another "model" the kemper puts onto the kabinet. If I have that right, that is really surprising and then it seems that the kones are very very different than the Celestion F12-X200.


    Re; the Aux - I didn't realize you and the manual were describing the Aux input in the kemper. Now that I've taken a quick look at the back of the Kabinet, there is no Aux input!


    I think this line in the manual doesn't help "Use two cabinets equipped with Kemper Kones as a mini PA, maybe for a spontaneous party. Feed your music into the Aux input in stereo...."


    When I read that I thought there was an aux input that basically took things as FRFR, but from your posts (the only helpful posts in this entire thread) it sounds like the Kabinet can't do that at all, it can just handle kemper aux input and model that as FRFR. If I got that right, that's too bad - seems limiting.


    Hopefully the future responses in this thread are from people who have some personal experience with this topic - not sure why ppl respond when they have nothing to add. :sleeping:

  • You're quite rude and flippant to people trying to help. Why are you being such a jerk?


    Return and Alternative Input (p42)

    Auxiliary Input (p124)


    Those two pages should explain how the Aux in works on the KPA.

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  • Chances are; no one has tried what you originally suggested, someone has tried it but does not read the forums to reply, someone has tried it but doesn't want to comment about it.


    Choices are; use the Kabinet the way you want, or wait for someone to respond who has done what you would like to do.


    I think everyone including myself was focused on "why" you want to do it when the first option the Kabinet was designed for works the best for us.


    Cheers!

    The more you find what Kemper can do then the harder you try to find what it cannot do -- like make a good cup of Frappuccino.

  • I disagree - I actually think others have been rude here and I am direct about it which you call flippant. And now call me a jerk when I haven't personally attacked anyone. It's projection to call me a name in the same breath of calling me rude, but i hope you feel empowered now that you typed it out. I wonder why anyone comments when they actually don't have any data to add on the subject?


    I've ready the whole manual btw dude, i had a kemper for a while and completely the aux in the kemper - but the manual and marketing documentation on the kabinet (the subject of this thread btw) is limited and didn't delineate that it was referring to the kemper aux and not an aux input in the kabinet itself which i have just learned does not actually exist (you can see that in my earlier comment).

  • I think you're mostly right. I guess to me it's non-productive to fill up the thread with most of the stuff posted above and I'm not sure why who are not the target of this feel the need to write stuff that clearly isn't helpful. It's really not personal when


    The "why" because the kemper competes with amp sims - they both take a DI and make it sound good (i'm sure everyone here will argue that the kemper does this better but that's not the point) - and if the kabinet was able to act like a good frfr that. was optimized for guitar tones, and if it also had a way to take those guitar tones in (with an aux input which was not clear does not exist until the kemper person replied on here) then theoretically it would be a very interesting monitor speaker for guitars (in addition to what it does for the kemper). I like playing guitar and engineering/producing music - it doesn't really matter to me what happens to the tone after i hit strings on an instrument as long as it sounds good (ie. playing through an amp, playing through kemper, playing through amp sims etc) and 99% of the recording musicians I know feel the same way - so I'm curious if the kabinet also acted in the the same way (ie doesn't care where the good sounding guitar tone comes from) - because if it did, i'd probably get some.


    Like I said earlier, if the above thought process isn't obvious, then you likely aren't the type of person who would try it, but every single guitarist I've asked about this in LA has basically said "hmmm, yeah, i don't know, but i wonder" so I really don't understand the people who have jumped on the thread to act like it's a crazy idea to use the kabinet as a FRFR guitar speaker without a kemper (if this would be possible).


    I thought my first post said it all:


    "Hello everyone. If you read the Kabinet materials and manual, it basically says the Kone shouldn't be used without a profiler, which makes sense - but I have yet to see someone who has used a powered Kabinet with the output of their daw (for example using amp sims) just as a FRFR speaker (in the mode without the speaker imprint) - this should be possible with the Aux input into the Kabinet. Has anyone tried this, or has anyone seen a review or feedback of this anywhere?


    Really curious how the kabinet performs as a FRFR speaker for other amps sims as well so anyone with personal experience on this with feedback would be appreciated!

    :)

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  • Ok, this is a point that I think is not clear after reading the manual.


    You seem to be saying the default state is not FRFR but that is another "model" the kemper puts onto the kabinet. If I have that right, that is really surprising and then it seems that the kones are very very different than the Celestion F12-X200.

    The Kone has been specially developed for using it with our imprint technology. Think of the FRFR mode as one of the imprints. One that mimics the sound of an FRFR speaker.

  • Yes I've read the manual - your question of who knows, is exactly the whole purpose of my thread. I'm sure somebody does and it would be great to hear from them.

    ... the manual and marketing documentation on the kabinet (the subject of this thread btw) is limited and didn't delineate that it was referring to the kemper aux and not an aux input in the kabinet itself which i have just learned does not actually exist (you can see that in my earlier comment).

    So the main point of this thread is, that you didn't know that "Kabinet doesn't have aux input" :) That's quite curious, because it is so obvious just with quick look at the product itself or pictures of it available on the web. Instead of such "few second look" there is huge thread with many complaints, blaming .... I quit!

  • The reason I and many others responded that way is very simple. The Kabinet is not an FRFR speaker. That is clear from the marketing, spec's etc. Yes it can operate as an FRFR but that's not its primary purpose and as mentioned it needs to KPA to function that way.


    It is designed to act in conjunction with the KPA as a solution to the Amp in the room. This use case is both not what it was ever envisaged for and (this is the crucial bit for me) there are solutions out there more appropriate (and probably cheaper). If using a DAW, most people use and are happy with studio monitors - hence the "why" question. What else are you trying to achieve by this approach?


    Hence why don't be surprised why few people will have tried this...anyway, I hope you get your answer.

  • Don't mind about Aux to go directly to my Kone.

    But the question is not so aberrant.

    I asked myself if i could plug another modeler into the Kabinet.


    I want to use the imprint with my Stage and don't want to buy many FRFR and cabs....

    There's nothing in the Kabinet that makes it swap from FRFR to Cab imprints, all comes from the Profiler.

    But Kone brings this FRFR possibility, can we obtain FRFR mode with a Helix for instance ?

    Is there only EQing (simple stuff to add in chain that exists elsewhere) that we could reproduce or is there something else that other modelers won't be able to do and only profilers do ?


    I'm not a speaker specialist and i don't know if we'll be told the secret receipe but just asking.....

  • So the main point of this thread is, that you didn't know that "Kabinet doesn't have aux input" :) That's quite curious, because it is so obvious just with quick look at the product itself or pictures of it available on the web. Instead of such "few second look" there is huge thread with many complaints, blaming .... I quit!

    Amazing valuable insight, thanks for your contribution

  • The reason I and many others responded that way is very simple. The Kabinet is not an FRFR speaker. That is clear from the marketing, spec's etc. Yes it can operate as an FRFR but that's not its primary purpose and as mentioned it needs to KPA to function that way.


    It is designed to act in conjunction with the KPA as a solution to the Amp in the room. This use case is both not what it was ever envisaged for and (this is the crucial bit for me) there are solutions out there more appropriate (and probably cheaper). If using a DAW, most people use and are happy with studio monitors - hence the "why" question. What else are you trying to achieve by this approach?


    Hence why don't be surprised why few people will have tried this...anyway, I hope you get your answer.

    Well, I see what you're saying but I don't think there are solutions more appropriate (don't care about the money aspect of it) - there are options but I think the FRFR commercial range is really limited having tried out most of them (ignoring studio monitors which is a different class approach to listening to amp sims which everyone already uses).


    I think what I'm trying to achieve is sort of the same thing that compels people in live settings to have cabinet monitors at all when the signal is going to the audience via PA, and IEM are obviously better for hearing what's going on on stage (with not only the guitar but others) - there's actually no logical point to having cab monitors but many people like them.


    So although that's not my use case, that's basically the idea - I'd like to play through cabs, I mean why not? I'm indifferent if the source comes from a kemper or an amp sim after I hit a string. It's basically another way to hear a guitar sound - I might ask the same question of others who use the kabinet with a kemper - why not just use studio monitors (through spidif into the audio interface) - i mean i did it for years and it sounds great if you have expensive monitors. I'm sure tons of people on here would respond that they love the sound of air and the amp in the room etc etc. So the question is can the kabinet be used as a FRFR speaker for cab sims seemed like a fair point because cab sims = kemper to those with blind folds on and ignoring the debate of which is easier to play with (physical switches vs digital fiddling).


    Anyway, I don't need an answer if nobody has one, I guess I find it really strange why people without anything to add on the subject jump on the thread and sound like 12 year olds (not meaning you) - i hope they find happier lives. There are a few polite ppl on here though, like yourself and BayouTexan and kempersupport....


    :)

  • I think where the use case seems a bit odd to me is amp sims obviously are a full range simulation and so best suited to FRFR or studio monitors which are full range speakers.


    If I understand correctly what you describe is the "amp in the room sound" that is missing from the Sims via a DAW? That now makes sense to me in what you are potentially asking and there is a bit of holy grail in this - how do you get that on stage feel in a studio, usually at lower volume using FRFR type solutions.


    If I am correct, then you are right in that the purpose of the Kabinet was to try and achieve that (I think successfully). Unfortunately, the answer is still the same which the "magic" from the Kabinet is actually in the KPA, not the Kone. So it's very unlikely to achieve what you need - in fact logic would suggest it would be worse as its further removed from a guitar speaker and closer to a HiFi speaker.


    The alternatives I was referencing is more along the lines of more guitar focussed FRFR solutions e.g. headrush and other options in a similar vein.


    Hopefully that helps ?