Liquid Profiles

Quote from franknputer

Just had a go with the beta on my Mac Mini (M2 Pro) and Ableton Live. It sounds pretty good, except that it's injecting intermittent digital noise into the track every couple of minutes. I have it in a USB hub, which is where I'd been connecting it to Rig Manager - I'll try moving it to a port on the Mini, but thought I'd post what I'm hearing.

In general, you never want to use USB hubs for any kind of audio/midi connection. They will many time interfere with latency or other things. Always plug straight in.

Quote from Tony G

I wish Kemper would put out a video showing us how liquid profiling works and what are its benefits. I think I understand it, I'm just not sure I want it, so it would be nice to see it in action before upgrading.

I am pretty sure they will in the future or some other yts. Currently they put out hours of explanations for the rigs of Thomas Dill and with Thomas Dill. We only have to wait some time.

Quote from V8guitar

I think this is incorrect. The only thing its doing is using the modelling the control interaction. Therefore you should be able to get the same sounds without the liquid profiles ( at a very basic level).

So as an example, you add more bass on a JCM 800 profile. Without liquid profiles, thats all that would happen...just more bass. On the real amp you might find that the mid drops off slightly. So the liquid profile means it replicates that interaction. If you knew that, you could replicate it manually by adjusting the mid at the same time...

The only thing I don't know is if, in that example ( which is totally fake - I've no idea how a jcm 800 tone structure works), the frequency of the mid is changed to replicate the effect the same way, thus resulting in a sound you couldn't replicate without liquid profiles.

Maybe someone knows better than me..

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sorry i think my post was maybe poorly worded ... what you're sayin is kinda what i meant also. from what they say in the interview the physical modeling part of the LP will result in a more acurate behavior of the gain and eq tonestacks, so in other words behave more closely like the actual amp. wether this will result in a more sonically versatile profile (ie. wider range of gain and eq adjustments without digital artefacts) is probably an unknown at this point .. i just deduced it because in my mind a physically modeled tonestack would probably do that. for the moment the gain adjustment is more problematic for me than the eq, so i need to load different profiles if i want to go from a clean to an overdriven sound because if i move the gain knob away to much from the original setting i don't like what i hear. i thought that would be one of the point of having the tonestack modeled but maybe i'm wrong.

to make a stupid analogy, i often think of the KP as a sampler or a scanner ... extremely acurate representation of a snapshot ... you can adjust it a bit without too much degradation (pitch shift a sample or color shift an image) but if you push it too much away from the original snapshot it sounds/looks 'fake'. With LP i thought it would be pushin it more into the direction of sth like Melodyne or a Photoshop smart objects where you can adjust things much further away from the original snapshot without it sounding/looking fake. a pure modeling amp would be like a midi instrument or vector image: complete range of adjustments without digital artefacts ... and the KP with LP somewhwer in the middle between a sampler/scanner and a midiinstrument/vectorimage.

Quote from HCarlH

In general, you never want to use USB hubs for any kind of audio/midi connection. They will many time interfere with latency or other things. Always plug straight in.

I’m hoping KpA usb works on my Mac. I’ve never had issues using a hub on my M1 13”pro with my scarlet interface. These new macs only come with two thunderbolt/usb3 jacks, no other connections. So the common hubs made for this computer plug into both jacks on the one side and you just get one that has all the connections needed for recording. Mine has a two usb3 , hdmi, and two usb 2. If recording, I need the power adaptor and my audio hard drive, usb for interface, hdmi for amy good-sized monitor , if I’m doing some keyboard, then I need the 2nd usb 2 jack as well.
So the only way I could avoid using a hub would be to ditch the monitor, record to my internal drive, or limit my recording to how long the battery lasts.
im banking that the KpA it will work fine with the hub, but won’t be able to try out the beta for a couple weeks

Quote from Grooguit

I’m hoping KpA usb works on my Mac. I’ve never had issues using a hub on my M1 13”pro with my scarlet interface. These new macs only come with two thunderbolt/usb3 jacks, no other connections. So the common hubs made for this computer plug into both jacks on the one side and you just get one that has all the connections needed for recording. Mine has a two usb3 , hdmi, and two usb 2. If recording, I need the power adaptor and my audio hard drive, usb for interface, hdmi for amy good-sized monitor , if I’m doing some keyboard, then I need the 2nd usb 2 jack as well.
So the only way I could avoid using a hub would be to ditch the monitor, record to my internal drive, or limit my recording to how long the battery lasts.
im banking that the KpA it will work fine with the hub, but won’t be able to try out the beta for a couple weeks

If it works, it works. Don't believe everything you read on the internet

Quote from Grooguit

I’m hoping KpA usb works on my Mac. I’ve never had issues using a hub on my M1 13”pro with my scarlet interface. These new macs only come with two thunderbolt/usb3 jacks, no other connections. So the common hubs made for this computer plug into both jacks on the one side and you just get one that has all the connections needed for recording. Mine has a two usb3 , hdmi, and two usb 2. If recording, I need the power adaptor and my audio hard drive, usb for interface, hdmi for amy good-sized monitor , if I’m doing some keyboard, then I need the 2nd usb 2 jack as well.
So the only way I could avoid using a hub would be to ditch the monitor, record to my internal drive, or limit my recording to how long the battery lasts.
im banking that the KpA it will work fine with the hub, but won’t be able to try out the beta for a couple weeks

I’m connected to an M1 Mac Mini via a hub and it is working perfectly so far.

I am really impressed that no new hardware is required since many years.

Any word on which tone stacks will be included?

Quote from tnipe

Any word on which tone stacks will be included?

I think 40 were quoted and so examples but no details.

It would be fair to expect AC30, JC120, selection of Marshalls etc.

Quote from V8guitar

I think 40 were quoted and so examples but no details.

It would be fair to expect AC30, JC120, selection of Marshalls etc.

Yeah, probably the usual suspects. Hope they will include more with time.

Our dream that was requested in 2014 has finally come true.

Expansion of Kemper`s AMP EQ section, adding tonestacks of modern and popular real AMP`s such as 5150, JCM 800, etc.

Quote from tnipe

Any word on which tone stacks will be included?

In the Editor, you can open a small menu in the Amp section - it is a right click from memory. This menu contains a short list of about 6-8 amp names and I assumed these were tone stack options. As soon as I selected one, all the main controls (bass, mid, treb, gain) took new positions.

Quote from Antipodes

In the Editor, you can open a small menu in the Amp section - it is a right click from memory. This menu contains a short list of about 6-8 amp names and I assumed these were tone stack options. As soon as I selected one, all the main controls (bass, mid, treb, gain) took new positions.

I think these have been there for quite some time.

Quote from Antipodes

In the Editor, you can open a small menu in the Amp section - it is a right click from memory. This menu contains a short list of about 6-8 amp names and I assumed these were tone stack options. As soon as I selected one, all the main controls (bass, mid, treb, gain) took new positions.

Pretty sure that’s a list of the amps loaded in your Profiler. Not tone stack options.

If select the amp button, turn the browse knob and you should see the same list. The loaded amp name will change.

Quote from tnipe

Any word on which tone stacks will be included?

some are already listed here: Liquid Profiles

Quote from spotter

some are already listed here: Liquid Profiles

Vox and Marshall. Already everything I need.

Quote from Ruefus

Pretty sure that’s a list of the amps loaded in your Profiler. Not tone stack options.

If select the amp button, turn the browse knob and you should see the same list. The loaded amp name will change.

Yeah, looking back it, I think you could be right. I have many hundreds of rigs in the profiler. This was not the rig browse list.

Clicking on one option in that list did not change the loaded rig name. The list has as a heading "amp presets". Presumably this has substituted a different amp section into the rig.

Quote from Antipodes

Yeah, looking back it, I think you could be right. I have many hundreds of rigs in the profiler. This was not the rig browse list.

Clicking on one option in that list did not change the loaded rig name. The list has as a heading "amp presets". Presumably this has substituted a different amp section into the rig.

I'm also just trying to remember here, but I think the Kemper has factory EQ presets named after some amps.

Quote from tnipe

I'm also just trying to remember here, but I think the Kemper has factory EQ presets named after some amps.

So - ahem - the release notes for beta 1 of OS 9.00 mentioned Liquid Profiles (or did I hallucinate that?). These things, were not alluded to as something that will be forthcoming in the fullness of time/inshallah - but as something - or so I would have presumed - instantiated in this beta.

LP will be in OS 10.0, it has been stated here by Kemper Team (Burkhard, IRC...)