Four-Cable Method: What Am I Doing Wrong?

mightypudge · May 19th 2023

Hey all. I posted recently about using the Kemper Stage with a tube amp and was advised to try the 4-cable method. I got it all set up and it's working as I'd expect, for the most part.

The pre-amplifier stomps seem to be working fine, and any effect I place in the second effect slot (after the Loop Mono in the X slot) works as well. However, effects I place in either of the other two remaining slots don't seem to work. For example, I placed a delay in the second slot and that sounded good. But when I added a reverb to the third slot, I got nothing.

I am assuming I am doing something wrong. I don't think it's the cabling, so perhaps it's a setting somewhere? If anyone has any thoughts, I am open to them. Thanks!

Cabling:

Guitar -> Kemper Input
Kemper Send -> Amp Input
Amp FX Send -> Kemper Return
Kemper Monitor Out L -> Amp FX Return

Kemper Settings:

Turned off the amplifier and cabinet blocks
Monitor Out L is set to Master Mono
Loop Mono settings: Mix is 100%, Used Loop set to Upper (using Send and Return 1), and Position set to Post

Bakersounds · May 20th 2023

Hi mightypudge. Are you looking for something like that?

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Ok, the guy in this video is using a PodGo, but the method should be the same.

musicmad · May 21st 2023

Please confirm this setting:

Monitor Out L is set to Master Mono

Sounds like you might have hit something like "mod" instead of mono.

ReinoutV · May 21st 2023

Quote from musicmad

Please confirm this setting:

Monitor Out L is set to Master Mono

Sounds like you might have hit something like "mod" instead of mono.

This should be it. Your physical connections are good as you stated them.

mightypudge · May 21st 2023

Quote from musicmad

Please confirm this setting:

Monitor Out L is set to Master Mono

Sounds like you might have hit something like "mod" instead of mono.

Yep, that was it. Thank you!

mightypudge · May 21st 2023

Quote from ReinoutV

This should be it. Your physical connections are good as you stated them.

Thanks. At least I got that part right!

musicmad · May 21st 2023

Quote from mightypudge

Yep, that was it. Thank you!

Perfect! It kinda had to be that based on the symptoms.

Finally · May 21st 2023

I'm curious to know your take on the sound. When I did this I ended up going back to just the Kemper as the tube amp was just adding weight and I couldn't tell the difference in recordings.

goldensheaf · May 22nd 2023

Quote from mightypudge

Hey all. I posted recently about using the Kemper Stage with a tube amp and was advised to try the 4-cable method. I got it all set up and it's working as I'd expect, for the most part.

The pre-amplifier stomps seem to be working fine, and any effect I place in the second effect slot (after the Loop Mono in the X slot) works as well. However, effects I place in either of the other two remaining slots don't seem to work. For example, I placed a delay in the second slot and that sounded good. But when I added a reverb to the third slot, I got nothing.

I am assuming I am doing something wrong. I don't think it's the cabling, so perhaps it's a setting somewhere? If anyone has any thoughts, I am open to them. Thanks!

Cabling:
Guitar -> Kemper Input
Kemper Send -> Amp Input
Amp FX Send -> Kemper Return
Kemper Monitor Out L -> Amp FX Return
Kemper Settings:
Turned off the amplifier and cabinet blocks
Monitor Out L is set to Master Mono
Loop Mono settings: Mix is 100%, Used Loop set to Upper (using Send and Return 1), and Position set to Post

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Funny i was just thinking of this with a kemper other day. I used this method years ago after reading a article in guitar magazine. Used a old boss gt5 an the sky was the limit. Loved it. If i gig again i would def use it.

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