Sounds like you may benefit from using a power amp and a 212/412 on stage. For high gain sounds my absolute favorite is choptones JP2C pack. Sounds thick and full…but FRFR and PA to me is ok but maybe not as satisfying live…but boy taking the monitor out to a poweramp and cab sounds killer..just a thought..
Posts by fenderbenderlax
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Hi Folks,
I'm trying to see if it is possible to simulate a double tracked effect when using a Kemper with a tube amp. My signal chain is as follows
Guitar --> Kemper input
Kemper Send --> Amp input (Dry signal for the Dry path)
Amp out --> Cab (Dry rig)
Kemper Master out --> FRFR (Wet Rig)
At times, I would like to use both as dry rigs but maybe the Kemper master out at a slight delay. I tried to set a delay at the end of the chain with feedback at 0, mix at 100% and time around 20 secs to see if this is possible. But it did not seem right. I do realize that this is not true double tracking but just trying to get a wider stereo field on stage. Any inputs is much appreciated.
Thanks
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I experienced this on the stage. I just switched performances and everything was back to normal. I'm not sure why but it has happened on a couple of occasions.
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I guess, this should work:
Pick the guitar signal from an output e.g. the MONITOR OUT with Output Source "Git&Processing" to feed the synth. Establish a Loop Mono or Stereo in module X and feed the synth signal back into the Effects Section via RETURN (and ALTERNATIVE IN). You cannot use the DIRECT OUT/SEND to feed the synth, because as soon as you activate the effect loop, that output switches into its SEND capacity.
But if the other outputs are already blocked for other functions e.g. feeding a KEMPER Kone and FOH, you might run out of sockets.
Very interesting idea...just a thought experiment not sure if it would work...but suppose I want to use my physical amp along with the Kemper running them maybe dual mono or even stereo perhaps...would the following setup work
Guitar --> Kemper In
FX Loop 1 send --> Amp Input [Place it in Front of the stack] [say block 1]
Amp Send --> FX Loop 2 Return [Place this in slot X after the stack]
Monitor out --> Amp Return
So the idea would be to have a set up where
a) I can do a. wet/dry rig with the physical amp being the dry amp and the Kemper stack being the wet amp
b) At times when I need the post effects on both signals I can access that as well.
Would this work? I'm not able to test this right away but just a thought.
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I like using the air chorus with gain sounds...put them after the stack...
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I think most of these are setting specific to the Kemper drive ( I might be wrong on that)...but I think if you fiddle around with the controls of the Kemper drive it is quite interesting...
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I have a HX stomp but after getting the Kemper it is not as satisfying...I guess a good alternative would be another Kemper stage or maybe even a Mesa Mark V 25 head (almost the same price point)....i'm hearing some really good tones through the cabclone (although opinion is divided)....
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I experimented with different profiles till I found the one amp that I felt best suited my needs. My experience has been that it is important to consider the interaction between both the amp and the cab. So the combinations can be overwhelming. Also I did buy some presets and each vendor does things differently I guess. I found one that worked really well for me and I just stuck with the cabs that were provided on that set of profiles.
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If you are plugging into the effects return of a combo you are only engaging the power section and the speaker. So depending on your profile and the cab on which it was based on the sound can be different I guess...I run my monitor out into the return of a Joyo Zombie hooked up to a cabinet for on stage monitoring. In fact for small venues I think using just the power amp and cab with the Kemper should do just fine...
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Welcome and sure can attest to how addictive the Kemper is
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yes trs from output 1 and ts from output 2
hmm..sorry about..not sure what else could be wrong...so I guess the problem is the way is not working like how you expected...have you looked into the wah parameters? specifically the manual parameter. you want to keep that low.
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Thank you guys for this thread! I'm a Kemper player for a few years and still strugglin. Like TS I hear a lot of really great sounding sounds comming out of a Kemper in the TJ of MBritt demo's etc. Also in the more gainy stages pretty open, transparent, difinition. Downloaded a few of them (free packs and some paid packs like the (non purple) Plexi from TJ. When I hear them... mwa... not as great as de demo's. De sound in duff, mashed up, lack of difinition and it's like, I don't know, indirect or something? It sounds from far away. TS discribed is as a blanket over the speaker and that is what I'm hearing. Playing through my bands PA I always thnink, okay, at least this is better as I expected based on my home experience.
Offcourse I understand volume means a lot in how one does experience sound. But those demo's I listen on the same volume, through the same studio monitors. And in case of TJ profiles I often see a Suhr HSS strat which I have almost the same. So why does this sound so diffrent...?
I bought a audio interface after 20 years of playing, just to record my Kemper and listen back. Then it sounds better, but still not as good as the demo's.
I have always been a plug and play guitar player; guitar through a wah pedal into a tube amp, add a delay/reverb and thats it. When I bought the Kemper I was hoping to have some more options with presets of delay's, some chorus effects, different amp models for cleans/crunch/lead sounds and less hassle with pedals, cables, fx loops and stuff like that.
I recently started a new side project with a rockband and looking for that straight to the bone rocksound that's kicking you in the balls. Did not find it yet...
For couchsurfing I bought a Boss Waza Air. That Plexi leadsound is killer! Smooth, definition, right amount of gain... It's juist what I'm looking for. Try to find that in my Kemper ever since. De TJ Plexi seems to offer it in demo's, but not in my kemper
This was my experience as well till I discovered the JP2C by Choptones. Killer tones and the range is quite good.
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not if I click the switch back to volume pedal
Are using the correct cables? For the volume into input 1 use a TRS and for the Wah into input3 use a TS cable. That might solve it.
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I know many love the Top Jimi VH profiles. With a real cab and power amp they sound good at first, then you hi the low E say with the Chorus rhythm to 'Feel your love tonight' and it farts out with a really wooly low end on the low E string only. I know a real Plexi is not a tight amp but it also does not have anywhere near the compression the TJ adds in there.
Any tricks to dial that out
Interesting. Have you set the definition to 10? Typically that helps in tightening things up a bit.
But for me I just stopped using other profiles after starting to use the JP2C profiles from Choptones. I have never played a real mesa boogie but boy are they tight and focused (especially the Kemper Profiles that I have played).
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How are you setting up the pedal? In slot 3 with the Wah>Volume setting?
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The one that I use is from Choptones. In fact I just made a shot video comparing the JP2C from Choptones and the Joyo Zombie (which is believe is based on the Mark series).
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IIMO, it's not good enough to use in professional, live settings, to do what it says it does, which is to produce the sound of double or triple tracked guitars.
Totally agree! I found it underwhelming for live use.
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That Mimiq pedal looks badass. Wonder how well it intermingles with the Kemper.
I have tried this but never found the effect to be particularly useful in a live setting. Would love to hear your thoughts if you did get to try one.
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Dynochrome what i am hearing is two standout things that make a profile un useable
1) Too dark and compressed. Many targeted the drop tuning guys I suppose. Not sure how they cut in a mix
2) Too bright. Bought an Ac Dc pack from a Top seller over the weekend and at bedroom volumes it sounded fairly convincing, however at band volumes it fell apart. The guy that made it may argue 'well it's a bright tone'..... If you were in the room where Angus's cab was isolated I'm pretty sure you would feel some air moving!
I have yet to find that killer plexi tone in the Kemper, but then I've only been back a week!
I'm using a real power tube amp and a real 4x12 cab
I will check out Marco's profiles!
Anyone else find a great Ac Dc tone??
Try the Purple Plexi pack from Tone Junkie..I think it gets closer. higher volumes..also I think you may want to fiddle around with the amp settings on the AC DC pack you have...I found that the tone stack is quite good and working on the definition parameter can certainly help..
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Double tracking with chorus and delays works to an extent. But I found that using the wideners on the Kemper did not allow the guitar signal to cut well through the mix. It might be something wrong that I'm dialing in. I found that the best delay based double tracking tool was using my hx stomp and a dual delay at the very end with appropriate settings. I have not been able to replicate that with the Kemper.
