Although it has been mentioned before as a “feature “ request, RM needs a “sync” button that will force it to reach out to the Profiler to refresh everything.
So far I’ve only had to count up 5 semitones. I’d have to use my other hand if I needed 6.
Here is the screen grab of the Harmonic Pitch settings in RM. You can see that Interval 2 says User Scale2.
Maybe that might be a bug that could be corrected?
OK. Now I see it in both places you mentioned.
But, here is the “funky” part. It did not take the name I had given it. It took the name of the rig.
My rig’s name is Mars Solo by mbritt.
I found Mars Solo in My Profiler after I sorted by type. It was grouped with other Harmonic Pitch Presets and the Mars Solo had today’s date.
Now I have to figure out how to change the name to be more descriptive.
Also, when I look at the Harmonic Pitch in in Rig Manager it still called User Scale2 (the existing scale I edited ) But, it has the correct settings that I changed.
Yep, I’m playing the same part you mentioned. That last E is a bend from D to E.
That last E was giving a harmony of Ab. After I changed the step to 5 semitones, I got the A I was looking for.
You may be able to alter which part you are physically playing on certain notes to cut down on/prevent using Morph or to FX switching of the harmony effects.
If you play the part that starts with a E, the lower part can be created using -3rd, and the higher part using +6, with the key set to D(Bm). But, at the end of the second line, the lower part resolves to a -4th below the melody A, instead of a -3rd below the earlier melody note A. If you play a D at the end of that line instead of the A, the chord will resolve, admittedly at a different inversion than on the record.
I don't know if the entire song can be played with this kind of approach or not, but, you may want to mess around with it. It may be a great alternative to complicated switching.
Another thing to consider is just doing two part harmony. I remember seeing a four piece band do this song live once, and it sounded great with two single line guitar parts, bass, and drums.
Thank you paults .
I have decide to go with just adding the third above. I also found out that by putting the Harmonic Pitch in in the X block, I can pan the harmonies right or left. Since my PA is stereo, I can soft pan the harmony to one side or the other.
Also, you mention the part of the main melody that starts with E. You said using + 6 with the key set to D. How would I pull that off when the rest of the riff is in A?
That part you mention is in the middle of the first phrase where Dickie bends the E string at the 10th fret up to E. Until I made step 7 +5, (It was a +4) the harmony note produced was an high Ab, when the original recording had a high A harmony. When I changed it to +5, I got the high A.
Regarding your comment where you heard the four piece band do the song with just two guitars brought back a memory of my own.
Many years ago, I saw a "show-band" where the sax player had two saxophones in his mouth at the same time and played both parts of Jessica! He NAILED IT!
In the Profiler, it would be available by activating an FX slot, selecting Pitch, and then Harmony Pitch. The Presets should appear along with the FactoryPresets.
In Rig Manager, look in the "All Presets/My Profiler" folder.
Thank you paults .
I have looked in both places and my saved scale preset is not in either place.
Below is an excerpt from the Manual:
The Harmonic Pitch effect can also be linked to one or two custom User Scales. These allow you to create custom harmonies to fit whatever musical style you require. From harmonic minor, to blues, to Hungarian Gypsy scales - anything is possible by programming the User Scales. As soon as you select “User Scale 1/2” as the interval for one of the two voices with the corresponding soft knob, you will be able to access their configuration pages via soft buttons.
Over three display pages, you can select the pitch offset for each of the twelve chromatic steps of both User Scales. Remember to set the “Key” as desired, whenever you use them; the key represents the tonic, or the first step of the scale. User Scales are saved within the Rig, so you can use many different scales by using different Rigs. They are not part of any harmonic pitch preset but are stored as independent user scale presets - to do this, simply push the STORE button whilst editing one of them. The default User Scales are both blues scales - one major, and the other minor. These can be used to instantly harmonize a blues or rock scale with one or two voices. Since blues is often somewhere between major and minor, try both “Key” settings to find the best fit for the melody, and your playing style.
So, I still have the question. Where do I find the scale I saved? The manual excerpt above says it is saved as an "independent user scale presets"
How can I retrieve that scale to add to another rig?
I created the scale above and renamed it "Key of A 3rd above"
Now that I have saved it, I cannot find it. Where did it go?
How to I retrieve that scale to reuse in another rig?
Here is what I have so far for the 3rd above guitar:
This is in the key of A, so in step zero below, the harmony note I want to hear when I play an A is a C# which is 4 semitones above A. -- Right?
Does what I have below make sense?
Step 0 (A)+4semitones
Step 1 (A#)+4semitones
Step 2 (B)+3semitones
Step 3 (C)+4semitones
Step 4 (C#)+3semitones
Step 5 (D)+4semitones
Step 6 (D#)+4semitones
Step 7 (E)+5semitones
Step 8 (F)+4semitones
Step 9 (F#)+5semitones
Step 10 (G)+4semitones
Step 11 (G#)+4semitones
EDITED BY KELLYMIDI (6/8/21): The steps above originally started with number 1. I changed the list to start with the number ZERO.
Does anyone have the user scales using the Harmonic Pitch shifter for the harmonized guitar parts in Jessica?
I have tried making my own and customizing other settings but can't make it sound right.
The song is in A, and I think there is one guitar a 3rd above and maybe the keys a 4th below.
I am thinking I would set a different scale for each of these two parts, right?
If you have any other Pitch shifter setting tips that would go along with the scales that would be greatly appreciated.
I bought my KPA used. Is there a way to check the build date? Perhaps by serial number?
Excellent idea to have the Parametric EQ for the monitor out.
It makes so much sense to have it on the speaker you are listening to on stage.
However, I want one PEQ for the monitors and a different PEQ for the front of house!
I had a “similar” problem with my wah.
I was experimenting with various rigs and the reassignment of the wah in different stomp locations.
After a while, I decided to stop playing around, so I unplugged my wah for the day.
Later on, I realized one of my favorite rigs sounded terrible. It had no highs and no lows. I was freaking out and trying to think how I could restore it.
The problem was that I happened to save that rig while the wah was half cocked earlier in the day. The way I figured it out was by turning off the wah stomp in that rig and my full sound came back.
Odd that the rig saved the half cocked status.
Great idea on the “undo” button.
However. In my experience, I only connect my laptop with rig manager to my KPA when I doing extensive editing of rigs or experimenting/trying out new rigs. I never have rig manager connected for live performance or practice.
Very interesting. I guess I’ve been doing it wrong for 40 years.
But, does this only apply when using a capo?
Also, I like the DonPetersen comment earlier in this thread about tuning the attack and not the decay.