Posts by Amcolan

I just hope this LP technology allows Kemper to keep its overall tone and feel. Moving the “modeling” direction makes me worried it will start to emulate the fractal world. I’ve come From fractal after years of struggling with looking for that “amp” feel and the Kemper profiles accomplish that phenomenally. That’s why I made the switch earlier this year.

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Please read the Manual or check out YT
Liquid Profile has nothing to do with Volumen, it's all about the tonestacvk and the gain.

https://www.youtube.com/result…liquid+profiling+tutorial

A master volume effects tone stack and gain. It’s a very effective parameter especially for taming low end on high gain amplifiers. Now that we can sweep through the gain setting on a liquid profile it would make sense to be able to raise or lower the master volume on a profile to compensate.

That’s basically it. Is there any parameter in the Kemper amp block that would allow for control over the master volume of an amp within a liquid profile? The amp volume just seems to work like a general volume control but I could be wrong.

Im really confused on the liquid profiling feature. All these current liquid profiled amps that are available for far, are these just available to make your own profile or has Kemper actually came out with any stock liquid profiles of these amps at all? If so where do I find them to test them out. I don't see any stock presets or profiles at all since updating. and I don't own most of these amps to make my own profiles.

Am I missing something?

I followed the directions and it stated that the original sound would be present once I saved my new liquid version of the profile but it sounds different. I saved a previous version of the profile just incase so I could compare and it definitely sounds different

nevermind I got it. it just brings it back to noon position

Im not getting any response when I click the Restore buttons like the manual says. Is something supposed to pop up?

Also, is this possible to do within rig manager? Im only able to see the restore buttons on the stage. The amp model parameter is in rig manager but I dont see Restore buttons anywhere.

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short version:

a) the amp in question must be on the list of Amp Models included in OS10

b) the settings at the moment of PROFILING have to be known

If I know the settings where do I apply those settings?

Are there any tutorials or manuals on how to use liquid profiles? especially the stock ones? The update manual doesn't show any but the list of liquid profiles. Im not sure where to find the stock profiles to try them out.

I see a lot of videos of people playing through them, like tone junkie, but no one really explains the process of using them.

How do I convert an old profile to a liquid profile?

Some info on The process of using LP would be great.

Are there any tutorials or manuals on how to use liquid profiles? especially the stock ones? The update manual doesn't show any but the list of liquid profiles. Im not sure where to find the stock profiles to try them out.

I see a lot of videos of people playing through them, like tone junkie, but no one really explains the process of using them.

Right now we are right in the midst of fest season so we aren’t rehearsing anymore. Just one gig after another with 30 min changeovers so I really only have during the show to give a preset a try and see how it sounds. Not ideal I know

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that shouldn't be necessary - once a sound is properly set up and levelled it shouldn't really be altered.
It's one of the sound guys first jobs to setup/EQ the PA to an acceptable standard

my soundcheck takes about 5 seconds

I’ve learned to not rely on sound guys. In my experience they are either deaf or just don’t care enough and we don’t have our own sound tech at our gigs.

I think I will have better luck after I switch to liquid profiling and I can start tweaking the Eq and tone stack live during sound check. If it’s Lacking a little mids i can more accurately dial some back in

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That sounds pretty painful and cumbersome - having to replace the entire profile in your performances just to change the mic balance.

Maybe easier to separate profiling and speaker miking: do one DI profile of your amp without speaker and create different Impulse Response mixes (with varying levels of the 121) to try with your profile. Now at soundcheck just switch IRs with the same profile until you're happy.

You can create your own IRs of your own speaker cabinet, if getting "that" sound is important to you, but it's a bit cumbersome (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E3VSKjzdgU)

Alternatively, you can use some ready-made IRs and blend them together, e.g. with MixIR.

But of course, you may want to stay purely within the Kemper. In that case you could create (merged) profiles with different levels of the 121, and then create Cabinet presets from them (only the Cabinet block). You can then apply these Cabinet presets to any existing profile. So no need to change all your existing (painstakingly tweaked) profiles - simply change the Cab block. So you may have Cab block presets with the 121 at -3, -6, -8, -10, -12, ... Simply swap them out until the sound works with the band - then paste that Cab preset to all your other profiles and performances...

Using Cab presets across all your sounds (even different amp profiles) is also a good way to avoid acoustic vertigo, giving your sounds a common flavor...

I got away from the fractal units because of my pure dislike of using separate cabinet IRs. It just took me down a rabbit hole if constantly trying different Ir’s and never finding a consistent sound. Most of the tone is in the speaker in my opinion and constantly blending and using different IR’s is way too complicated and inconsistent for me. That’s what i liked about the Kemper. It was much more straight forward.

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The 57 has been proven as the "standard" guitar amp for a reason - it definitely cuts through in a mix. So the general idea is to mostly create your sound with the 57 and then use the fuller, rounder 121 to fill out the sound a bit. For this, find a sound on the 121 that complements the 121, not one that stands on its own. So the best sound for the 121 will probably be a bit less "trebly" - you'll get enough of that from the 57. So as you described, mid-cone sounds reasonable - listen especially for the range that you find lacking in the 57.

Now start your blend with the 57; then add 121 "to taste" until the brittleness is gone. But don't overdo it with the 121 - once you get too much "warmth" into your sound from the 121, it will be difficult to mix (even though it feels a lot better in isolation), because it will occupy too much sonic space when turned up high enough to be heard.

A 121 as a main mic will work better in a very sparse arrangement, where you need the guitar to fill a lot of space. That might be an occasion (depending on style) to actually start with the 121 and blend in the 57 for "spice". But in typical band situations with instruments fighting for sonic space, you're better off starting with the 57.

It’s difficult to know how it will sound in an actual live mix. I basically have to keep testing them when I go to a gig which is only about 2x month. I try playing along with backing tracks but it doesn’t really sound the same. You’re right it definitely sounds great on its own the 121 up higher but in a mix it gets lost.

I tried with the 57 at zero and 121 about 3db back. Defiantly brighter but will have to wait until the next gig to test it.

I guess I could try making profiles with multiple mix options and then test them all at the gig to see which is better.

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I saw that video. That’s how I learned the phase trick and where to place the mics. He doesn’t really go into much detail on how he chooses to blend the two with the faders.

Hello all

I just picked up a Royer 121 to blend with my sm57 when making some Kemper profiles. I got the Royer clip and have the phase set up perfectly.

I moved the mics around and settled on having the 57 at the left cap edge with the Royer to the left at almost mid cone. I auditioned it through my Neumann KH 120’s and the tone sounded great. I had the 57 about 7-8db less than the 121. Very thick tone it captured from my Freidman small box 50 and V30 DR Z cabinet.

The tone sounds great alone but when I used it live it last night i immediately got buried in my mix. Could barely hear it and I soon switched over to a different preset.

Just looking for tips on mic placement or how to blend the faders for these two mics. Should I have the 57 higher and blend in the 121? I really don’t like the mid range sound of a 57 by itself so I naturally brought in less of the 57. I’m guessing that’s the main issue here.

Curious to hear your thoughts.

Thanks all

Are there any videos out yet that show how to profile an amp to work with liquid profiling? I’m still not sure how the whole liquid process will work.

I’m in the process of making a lot of my own profiles. I’m not on the liquid firmware yet and feel like I may be wasting my time making these before I make the switch to liquid

I can’t get a good tone with this wireless. It’s always muffled sounding. I tried the unity gain settings.

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I think I found a way...

To keep most of my guitars in the safe zone, I´ll use the gain at +21 and AF Out at +18. +24 seems fine on a few of them, but I get the occasional clipping warning if I play hard. To get the distortion to the same level I have to boost distortion sense to +4. Then it feels and responds the same between the cable and EW-D.

So I guess it works, even though it's not unity gain. Does it matter? *shrug*.

Did you ever figure out a solution? I just got this same unit. Did you ever try the gain adjustment on the transmitter? I wonder if they can be changed for specific guitars

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