This reminds of the the current mainstream in many European (American?) public diskussions: A sometimes "off-topic" form of political correctness becomes mandatory and more important than dealing with facts and arguments based on differing assumptions.
Funny that esp. in Germany, which has famous philosophers like Hegel who proposed the thesis/anti-thesis as a necessary method for "dialectic" progress - off mainstream point of views get heavily beaten by the "political correctness watch".
From what I remember Hadley has been a pro-guitarist for many moons. He owns a Kemper - meaning he is interested in the product and is trying to use it in a productive way in his environment.
Before you beat him down step into his shoes and try to see what he is seeing. Then reply with a strong argument if that is not your point of view (like cK did). Arguments can be very sharp or pointed and sometimes even sarcastic, but judging people as trolls because they do not applaude your point of view has become way too easy and common.
BTW - Total satisfaction means "end of all progress".
I dig reading through threads with controversial discussions - as long as the BS is kept away. More often than not both parties have a point.
Hadley I encourage you to continue to share your opinions - maybe offer samples or further explanations of what you do not like. Just because you did - cK replied with a very pointed post, that for itself contains useful background information we might not have otherwise.
By exchanging controversial arguments we can all gain more "in-depth" understanding of this product.
Be good sports guys!
But: I find it unnecessary to open up several threads for this spreading all over the forum.
Let's keep it focused and on- topic.
@ Hadley: When CK offered to discuss several aspects of the profiling in detail it would have been better and more on topic orientated (IMO) to NOT repeat the same theses as in the "Distortion model" thread and this thread here.
I will follow the other thread now and have no problem with controversity per se.
Well, I for one LOVE the look of the KPA.
Yeah, thanks for all your efforts!
@ DocLine6forum : what Atomic do you use exactly?
I have a Powered Atomic Wedge i use with the 11 Rack. Would be nice to know that the Kemper and the powered wedge work well together
I have one powered cab and one powered wedge. Unlike others I can't complain about lack of headroom. They can get obscenely loud and sound awesome.
Fantastic idea and I'm in!
Yeah, I find this to be a new Kemper quality. I stop looking around for sound and tone, I just play.
I have owned the Ultra for years and the Axe II since Jan. 2012.
When my KPA arrived last week, I had the expectation that it might be in a similar league with the Axe II, only using a different, interesting new approach.
In my "real amp life" I'm mainly an AC 30 player. Also with modelers. I like to have options, of course, but tend to use one model 90% of the time.
Also with the Axe, i've used nearly exclusively the AC 30 TB model.
In the KPA I found a beautiful AC 30 profile recorded in a Nashville studio, captured with a nice blend of 2 microphones (forgot which ones cause I'm not at my machine now).
This profile has a nice grit to it and I can give the tone a character from super clean to fairly crunchy simply by changing my picking attack and with a little use of the volume pot.
I instantly fell in love with this profile, and I mean, REALLY fell in love.
Could play for hours and never stop.
What happened then I had not imagined. Turned on the Axe and loaded my best effort AC 30 patch (after years of tweaking experience), which I had always been quite content with.
Couldn't stand it now after playing the KPA. The highs sounded so unnatural to me and the mids had a honky character I couldn't dial out. No chance.
I was shocked. Stopped playing and started over after a few hours. This time I started with the Axe. Sounded good. Changed to the KPA. Sounded excellent, much better! Switched back to the Axe. Could not stand it AGAIN!
I really had not expected this.
Next I set up a blind listening test for my wife. She's very lovely but the first to admit to be not being very musical.
I randomly plugged in to the Axe or the KPA and played, being amplified by an Atomic FRFR.
Result: She picked the KPA from the Axe EVERY time, every time qualifying the KPA as clearly better sounding.
She is right. I really feel that profiling means a paradigm shift. Modeling as known to us maybe is past and history.
After the difference in sound quality was so evident with the Axe being so inferior i couldn't even imagine to use it again for amp tones. The effects? Sure they are somewhat limited in quantity in the KPA but the quality is very good and I found that I can get very musical results in very short time, actually it's quite more practical than using effects in the Axe.
My summary: I really didn't expect this to be such a clear outcome. I'm quite excited over the KPA (and I'm not getting excited so easily). I could have imagined to keep both the Axe and the KPA initially, but my Axe is already sold by now.
Behause the KPA is in a superior league. Amazing!
A true innovation and a real paradigm shift.
Atomic FRFR here and very pleased with the sound.
No difference between Stereo Outs and Monitor Out.
I will model both my Sansamp character pedals, Liverpool and British, before they go to Ebay.
Just for fun though, as I think that the AC 30 and Marshall profiles that are already available for the KPA are lightyears ahead of what the Sansamps can deliver.
Another YES, please.
Actually, the last thing I want the KPA to sounds like is a recorded guitar tone. I want it to sound like an amp in the room. It does. Again, if you are comparing a modeler or profiler with all the equipment in a professional guitar studio, including mixing boards, EQ, compressors, fx, mics and great ears and technique, double or triple tracking a part and expect to get that exact sound out of a $200 or $3000 box, you'll always be disappointed.
In fact, i remember EVH complaining about how great his amps sound in the room but he had difficulty getting that sound to tape.
Same with me, as I prefer to integrate my guitars into my mixes "manually". But without any doubt there are users that will prefer (and benefit from) more treated profiles.
Hence my analogy with Superior and SSD drums.
I ordered one of these yesterday. Will be delivered tomorrow.
I don't think it's pricey. Just solid protection for my KPA, which is important considering the pots aren' tprotected by the chassis.
In the foreseeable future I think many studios will be offering services with "premium profiles" or the like, meaning some kind of post- production gear gets involved in the profiled signal chain.
Similar to drums (Toontrack Superior = raw untreated drum sounds, Steven Slate Drums = highly and professionally treated drums, ready for use in a mix). There will be a wide variety of options to choose from, and apart from that, an ever growing user base offering private profiles continuously.
End of oracle. It´s all good.
if you buy a b-stock unit which was previously registered with us we need to manually verify and eventually remove the "original" registration. you need to contact support in order to get this done.
No, I didn't buy a B- Stock. It was labelled as new (at Thomann), otherwise I should have got it at an discounted price, which I didn't.
I also informed the shop about this.
I also was contacted by support who let me now register my unit.
So my problem is solved now, thanks all!
Aren't you afraid of the KPA falling off?
No, Fractal is sold exclusively via G66 in Europe.
No. 1 is the KPA, no. 2 the Pod HD500.
That means something.