Posts by robles1999

Please Kemper assign the spillover to the block by its fx type.

Quote from dickjonesify

Believe me, I know. I use a delay in Stomp D a lot for dirty repeats. I’ve asked for it before and had many guys chime in and agree but they don’t really care haha. Maybe someday.

That's a shame. Yes, maybe someday.

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X-fade and spillover are different. X-fade at 10 is still only like...I don’t know, definitely under 100ms. It just helps the amps cross smoothly when changing Rigs instead of a hard cut.

Spillover is only on the last two slots and it lasts for several seconds.

Didn't know the X-fade was for the amp. Thanks for clarifying that.

The delay and reverb fx spillover should be linked to the fx themselves not the block. I would like to use a delay on the Mod and Dly blocks with different settings and the reverb on the reverb block but the delay on the Mod block won't spillover.

It would be really nice if the spillover function is engaged anywhere there's a delay or reverb fx. My chain doesn't always have Delay and Reverb last in the chain. Sometimes these are shifted over and a tremolo or pitch shift or anything else on the last block for some weird fx sounds. Also, the X fade time should be longer. I have my X fade at 10 and the spillover is hardly noticeable. Is anyone experiencing the same?

Quote from Per

They’re just output level controls as Don said. The difference you felt was the difference of perception at volume, I.e. loud stuff always sounds better, and normally you play your amp loud, but people have a tendency to monitor quietly and expect the same sort of sound in their space.

The level controls in the Kemper are completely clean, a multiplier for the sample value only no funky modeling, no coloration or distortion or anything else will happen. The amp volume is just a way to set the rigs volume for leveling when going between multiple rigs.

You can experiment with this to see by placing a distortion stomp in the x slot on a rig and tlurning up and of the various level values, that includes things like imput sens settings. If these were controlling volume before the speaker sim or before anything else you would now hear that distortion getting more distorted as the level values increases, just like when you plug a guitar into a stomp and adjust the controls in your guitar, instead you’ll hear only that things get quieter or louder. This means that these controls are just controlling the output volume of the Kemper as a whole, they are all methods af accessing exactly the same thing.

If you overdrive the output of the Kemper you will eventually get additional distortion - digital clipping to be precise this is unforgiving harsh buzzy distortion that you most probably don’t want (and there are stomps for this if you do). This pushes things away from the original source. So keep it mostly dark green on the output and simply raise the volume on your monitors or power amp instead.

Volume is key to getting an in the room sound, but it’s just a matter of things being as loud as a real amp.

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Hmm...Interesting. If that were the case I would get rid of the Volume in the Amp stack in the next update. Why have redundant functions that creates confusion. Another point, why use the hidden Amp stack volume to level the rigs and not use the master volume which is always visible. That's how I always level the rigs.

Another friend who owns a Kemper tried the settings we've been talking about in this thread and he said he seem to be hearing some kind of higher frequencies or presence become more pronounced when he raised the Amp block volume that aren't present when the master volume is raised.

Quote from DonPetersen

@robles1999
The Compression parameter in the AMPLIFIER section is used to even out volume differences that occur when you roll back the volume pot on your guitar to clean up the sound. That's it's main purpose.
So yes, when you turn it down the dynamic range increases (back to 'normal').

When a Profile is created, the Compression value is at zero.
The volume controls in the Profiler are just that: level controls, they don't change the sound or add saturation.

hope that clarifies a few things.

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Thank for the information. I understand the function of the compression. I would like to know what is happening in the profile when we raise the Amp block volume. That to me is making a huge difference on how the profile is perceived by my ears. I am not sure if anyone is actually trying this before answering or chiming in.

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I wait for an official statement from Don or Burkhard. I don’t think tha the amp comp is the solution for the amp in the room sound. Thousands of commercial profiles are done with ampcomp off and i think also M. Britts are tweaked afterwards. The amp volume will affect the dynamic? That would be new for me.

Please Don or Burkhard, chime in and give us a comment.

Cheers
Frank

I am not saying that the compressor is the solution. I was just letting everyone know what I found and to see if everyone else gets the same results. Try it and give us your feedback. You don't have to wait for an official statement. I am one of those people who like to try things myself and let the ears be the judge.

Quote from Janne

The Amp-block compression should be 0 after doing a profile. The profiling process itself is measuring the amps natural compression, this parameter is there to let a user manually increase this type of compression.
So if the value were more than zero, someone have manually adjusted that for some reason...
Turning down/off the compression def. gonna give You a bigger dynamic range and the average level usually drops, making You increase the volume to compensate and as a result You will get much larger volume peaks.
(this is sometimes a problem and is what a compressor is designed to solve)

Good to know. I also have some of MBritts profiles and noticed the compression parameter is active on his profiles. I liked better the way his profiles sounded once I made the changes I talked about. The difference is that you get more of an amp in the room sound rather than through studio monitor.

Quote from musicmad

Did you test if raising the rig and/or output volume accomplished the same thing?

Did that as well but the effect wasn't as noticeable as when increasing the Amp block volume. Again I have to play with it some more. Keep the ideas coming. I appreciate all the input.

Quote from JimmyK

Of course turning off the compressor helps increase the dynamic range.
When you turned up the amp block volume did you turned down the master volume?

If not, you just turned up the overall volume. When increasing the volume, it's expected to get a wider dynamic range because you can hear much better the notes that you hit softly (that you couldnt hear before) and of course you hear much louder the notes that you hit hard. I believe Kemper does that very well, it doesn't lack dynamics at all especially with good clean / low gain profiles.

I guess a good test would be to compare the amp and the Kemper through monitors both at the same volume.

I did have to lower the master volume as one would expect.

Don't get me wrong the Kemper did have some of the volume increase when the strings were picked harder but it wasn't very noticeable even with no compression. What made a huge difference was when the Amp block volume was raised.

Quote from lightbox

Just out of curiosity, was the Compressor in the Amp block automatically set during the profiling process? Would be great if you could investigate this bit of knowledge. For example, how was the compressor setting in the reference rig before you hit "Profile"? If you lower the Compressor setting in the reference rig and then run the profiling process again, how does the Compressor in the resulting profile look?
I think this would be very helpful to know.

Cheers
Martin

We profiled his amp early last year and hadn't been able to get together until yesterday. I can't remember all the details but I normally select a rig that resembles the rig I am going to profile and hit profile. I don't change any parameters before profiling. We made the same Amp block changes to multiple rigs and the all had the same effect. Some rigs didn't even have any compression in the amp block. I just made this discovery yesterday so I have to do more experimenting.

Ok so here it goes...

I have a friend who after having me over to his house to profile a couple of his amps bought a Kemper for himself (Powered Head). He love the fact that the profiles sounded almost identical and that the feel was there unlike other units. Once he received his Kemper and started playing through it, he noticed that no matter how hard or soft he hit the strings the volume wouldn't go up or down like on his amp. I asked him to bring his Kemper and cab over to my house so that we could do some experimenting. I plugged my Kemper to my studio monitors and he plugged his to his 2x12 cab. Both Kempers were reacting the same way so we knew the speakers weren't the problem. The amp profile would start to breakup the harder you hit the strings but the volume would not increase as expected. So we started digging into the parameters to see if we could figure out what was causing this behavior.

After a lot of tweaking using his equipment, we figured out that by turning the compression in the Amp block all the way down and the Volume of the Amp (in the amp block) all the way up the volume of the profile would increase or decrease depending on how hard you hit the strings. Talk about real feel now, it was incredible, the volume and amp breakup was happening by how hard or soft you hit the strings. This is most noticeable in a clean to semi-distorted rigs, but even noticeable on heavy distorted rigs.

The next thing that happened was very unexpected. I decided to make the same changes to the Amp block of my Kemper which was connected to my studio speakers to see if I got the same result. What happened was that I got the same result PLUS my studio monitors almost sounded like his CAB in the room. We just looked at each other like what just happened. I have two M-Audio BX5's and they sounded like his 2x12 cab. I don't know how the Amp block volume works but let me tell you, the Kemper now sounds like I am playing through a real CAB in the room. I think this is something we all crave but haven't been able to accomplish with digital units. Maybe it has something to do with the Amp being more in front or present in the "profile" which makes it sound like it's right in front of you. I don't know how this will translate to the front of the house or in a recording but will find out this weekend. However, I am loving the sound coming out of my studio monitors right now.

I would like to know if anyone else has tried this or is willing to try it and give me some feedback as to your experience.

I like to have a Wah on all my Rigs and on some of the rigs I have both a Wah and a Wah boost. The problem is that the Wah pedal controller also controls the Wah boost, creating an undesired effect (it functions like a volume pedal). I would like to have the ability to disable the Wah pedal controller from the Wah boost and only control the Wah.

I would also like the Wah to be Global, like the Volume pedal. That way I don't have to use up a stomp slot on every rig.

I don't know what the new addition to the Kemper firmware means. Can someone please explain? Ty.

The alternate will function as an aux in. Then on the output section of the Kemper you can assign where the alternate signal goes; to the main out, headphones, monitor out etc... It's really a fantastic feature. If you are connecting a mono signal you only use the alternate input. If you are connecting a stereo signal you need a "Y" cable to split the "L" and "R"; connect one to the alternate input and the other to the return input. I use one of these.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/prod…age_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

From the Kemper manual pg. 50

The Auxiliary Input function allows you to feed a stereo signal, such as a mp3-player, into your Profiler to play alongwith it. In the Output/Master menu, the Auxiliary Input function is equipped with three controls: one to feed the aux signal to the main outputs as well as S/PDIF OUT, and two others to feed it to the Monitor and Headphone output.This allows you, for instance, to add an additional monitor signal to your headphone output, while the main output stays unaffected. The auxiliary signal will not be affected by any internal effects.You will need to purchase a special cable which provides the stereo signal via two separate TS jacks. Plug the leftjack into the Return Input and the right jack into the Alternative Input. Use the "Aux In …" soft knobs to adjust the level.While you have an effects loop active in your Rig, or you are in Profiler Mode, the Auxiliary Input cannot be used,since the physical inputs are needed for a different purpose.

Please do not forget to turn down Auxiliary Input volumes when you are not using it, to prevent unwanted hum and noise.

95% of the time depending of the venue I receive a stereo signal from the board (minus guitar) that goes into the alternate and return inputs of the Kemper. I plug my IEM to the Kemper's headphone jack.

One last observation/advise. I've played in a lot of venues ranging from 100 to 5k seats. They all have different sound systems and therefore It would be impossible to set up a sound that will fit all those variables. Therefore I no longer worry about that. What I care about is what I hear in my ears and let the sound man handle the FOH to what he feels sounds best in the mix out front. Some sound guys are great and some not so much. We just have to live with the fact that sometimes the FOH is out of our hands.

My concern is hearing the guitar in my ears the way I like it and inspires me to play. This is whether I am using IEM or on stage monitor. We could waist so much time worrying about things we have no control over when we could be using that time to improve our craft. Don't let all this technology and marketing hype deter us from becoming a better musician. The majority of the listeners don't really care about our sound, they care about the music we make. I've heard some guys who have spent thousands of dollars on their equipment/gear and they have a good sound but they lack in their playing and the crowd not responding like one would expect. Then another guy come in with a simple setup and bring the house down with his playing.

Frank Gambale and Steve Lukather are two of my favorite guitarists but I however think their sound is bright, harsh and very digital sounding(could be due to digital outboard gear), but I can hear them play all day.

After trying the Helix and AxeFx my opinion is that the Kemper is the best unit out there and has all the settings we need to make it sound great, we just have to get to know all the possibilities within it. Make all the settings using the IEM you'll be using through the Kemper's headphone jack and forget about FOH, you'll be happier, you'll enjoy listening to your self, and the crowd will benefit from your inspiration.

I would try some of this guys performances. I have a couple of the packs and the are fantastic. I however set the presence around 9 O'Clock. The horns on the house speaker are usually big and even when I think my tone might be dark in the FOH, they are just right.

http://josephwuproduction.bigcartel.com

You can also listen to our church live recordings here. I am only using the kemper direct to the house.

https://m.soundcloud.com/orangewoodchurch-pca

Try setting the Presence of the Kemper's output EQ to around 9 O'Clock and you won't need and extra eq.

Quote from WolfsLair

Cool,.. I know it sounds weird to ask but for some reason on the Fractal you have to rig it a certain way to not have the gaps and it is still there a slight amount

I have an FX8 and I have the same issue. You have to keep the same Delay block on the new preset in order to get spillover. Thank God for Kemper and the amazing spillover. I also like the morphing feature to go from clean to dirty or crunch to lead etc...all without dropouts or gaps in sound. The FX8 has been collecting dust ever since Kemper put out the new Delay's. I have the FX8 as a backup just in case I need to use a real amp.