I've got some standard delays and reverbs set up in the delay and reverb slots. I've noticed that in some rigs, they kind of interfere with each other a bit. For example, my delays aren't very clear and they sort of push into the reverb so that the end result sounds more like the reverb is pulsing a bit rather than being able to clearly hear each individual delay. I know one solution could be to put the reverb first and then the delay, but I'm assuming there must be another technique to solve this problem, otherwise, Kemper wouldn't have put the delay module before the reverb (which is where I agree, it should be).
Is there some other setting that sort of separates the delay and reverb so that they are more clear rather than mushing them together? I've also noticed that if I use a delay widener in the "X" slot, that also causes my reverb to sound a little off (in a bad way). I'm assuming that's because the delay widener is causing the signal to hit the reverb module at 2 slightly different times, causing a SLIGHT out of phase sort of sound.
What do you all do to keep your delays and reverbs really defined?
Answered my own question. I took my buddy's stuff home with me and profiled at my place. Apparently he had some sort of a grounding/equipment hum that we didn't catch (we tried the ground lift option and that didn't work). When I brought everything to my place and profiled, it worked perfectly.
After owning the Kemper for 5 years or so, I decided to try profiling a friend’s amp. To start, we profiles his Marshall TSL head with a Marshall 4x12 cab. Nothing fancy, just wanted to go through the process.
My connections were as follows:
Guitar into Kemper front input
Direct out into TSL input
SM57 mic into the Kemper return
We also ran an XLR cable from the Kemper left out to his mixing board for reference later.
We went through the profiling process with no problem. And when we were done, we couldn’t hear a difference between the reference amp and the Kemper profile, which is a good thing.
However, what we noticed is that if we plugged directly into the Marshall, the tone was more full. When I took the same cable and plugged it into the Kemper (meaning, running through the Kemper and then using the direct out to get to the Marshall’s input), there was more noise, less bottom end and a little more quacky mid-range introduced. This is all before the profiling even began.
So the end result was that the Kemper did match that quacky/less full sounding tone. But not the actual tone of what the amp really sounded like when it was mic’d and fed straight to the board rather than through the Kemper.
What could be causing the Kemper to introduce noise as well as extra tone coloration before the profiling process even happens? Are my outputs supposed to be set to anything specific?
Glad you got it sorted.
What did the factory reset entail? Did you just restore to default settings, or reinstall the driver . . . or something else?
I’m on a Mac so i don’t think there are drivers. I didn’t even think to ask what it did.
Focusrite customer support fixed the issue. I had everything hooked up right and as a last ditch effort, we did a factory reset of the Clarett and that fixed it. Glad it was a simple fix.
So in the end, Focusrite customer support helped me out. They are amazing by the way. They did a screen share with me and walked through everything. I had everything all hooked up correctly. In the end, we just did a factory restore of the Focusrite and that fixed the issue. Glad it was something simple.
Are you using GarageBand ? If so which sim are you plugged into. ?
I only used Garage Band to make sure it wasn't a problem with my regular DAW (Reaper). It wasn't. In Garage Band I turned off all sims to make sure it was just the plain Kemper signal that I was hearing.
Hey OhG, saw all your posts about your "dullness" problem. I have a suggestion you might consider.
1st thing, some good news: It's not your Kemper.
2nd: One of the least expensive and high quality simple interfaces I know of is the Apogee Jam 96K USB Guitar Interface. Here in the USA you can buy 'em used all day long for around $60 plus shipping. They were made for Macs. Just plug your 1/4" guitar cable directly into the Jam and plug the Jam output into any USB port. Set your DAW to look for the Jam interface and you're done. Check out Reverb or other online music equipment sites-OR- if you prefer, for about $79 you can buy a factory refurb unit directly from Apogee (https://apogeedigital.com/products/jam/buy).
BTW, I'm not affiliatied with any manufacturer, I'm just another player. Best of luck to you!
Thanks. If Focusrite support can't help, then I'm going to have to take a look at other interfaces to see if it's just a general Focusrite or Focusrite Control issue. If it is, I'll end up getting a new interface. I'm thinking that is where I'm headed because the tests that I've done are leading me to believe the problem is somewhere in the Focusrite stuff.
I would suggest doing something a little more scientific. Get a software that can generate whitenois and frequency sweep. or create a WAV file online with whitnoise or frequency sweep. I use the Room EQ Wizard program , with which I also measured my home studio.
You do a loopback (connect the output of your interfaces to the input or use the audio output of your Mac / PC and connect this to the input of your interface).
And now you measure each whitnoise and frequency sweep.
How exactly does that work ...
Ok, but what exactly would this do for me? I'm not incredibly knowledgeable when it comes to these types of things. I ran the REQ as you mentioned but I have no idea what I'm looking for in the results. Or how it'd even apply to my particular situation. How would this help me determine why I'm losing a little high end and clarity whenever I run into the Focusrite Clarett?
Have you tried contacting the Focusrite support? Since the Kemper sounds good direct through powered speakers and seems dull through your two Focusrite interfaces it must be in their settings.
I have. I'm working with them now.
Are you using instrument cables or mic cables to plug in to your interface? If you're plugging an instrument cable into a line input, it will sound really dull and bassy. I have an ID22 with XLR/TRS hybrid inputs and assumed (wrongly) that the TRS inputs were instrument level and they are not, they're at line level. Instrument into line level won't sound good.
I'm using XLR (mic) cables. I've also got SPDIF hooked up which is 100% digital. And I've tried 1/4" cables. It's definitely not a cable issue.
I know most people use an interface when recording (I do too), but is there any way to record a signal directly from the Kemper to a Mac? I'm trying to get the most pure signal from the Kemper to my Mac and I'm 100% convinced that I'm losing some sort of high end or clarity when I have to run it through my Focusrite.
I've tried everything and have now got Focusrite tech support involved. Maybe they'll have a solution. If so, I'll post here in case it's helpful to others in the future.
I recently started a thread on this exact same issue. It’s on the main page. You might want to check that thread to see if it helps you in your situation. I’m still trying to find the answer myself.
I tested hooking up my Kemper directly to my monitors vs going through my Focusrite Clarett and then into the DAW and monitors. Going directly into the monitors kept the clarity. So it's definitely either an issue with several Focusrite Interfaces or the Focusrite Control software that is causing some of the clarity to disappear.
The odd issue is that this same issue happened with a previous Focusrite interface (the Saffire). So I don't think it's a "faulty" interface because the exact same thing happened with my previous one before I upgraded to the Clarett. It's also not a case of a bad headphone output on the Clarett because this issue happens with all outputs (headphone, SPDIF, 1/4").
It's also not a DAW issue because the same issue happens in both Reaper and Garage Band.
So it's either a matter of all Focusrite interfaces coloring the sound. Or there is a setting in my Focusrite Control software that is causing this. But I don't have any idea what it could be. All inputs and outputs are working as they should and sending signal. There is no EQ settings in the Focusrite Control. And I've got my DAW, Kemper and Focusrite Control all set to 44,100.
I'm completely stumped and it's annoying because I see all of these YouTube videos with people posting the most amazing sounds (which I can get live), but my recordings sound nothing like those in terms of clarity, before or after EQ'ing.
Is the interface connected to monitor speakers as well? If so, does the sound from the DAW via the interface monitor outputs sound as dull as via the interface headphones output?
If not, it might be that the headphone output on the interface is not as high quality as the Kemper headphone output.
The next check would be to see if the Kemper (SPDIF)/DAW /Interface /Monitors set up sounds as good as Kemper straight to Monitors.
Also, in the title of this thread you mention ". . . when recording" - does it sound dull whilst you are monitoring during recording and also when you play the recording back, or just when you play the recording back?
I probably only have questions rather than answers; however, this query crops up a lot and I don't think I've ever read a definitive answer.
The interface is also connected to a pair of Yamaha HS8 monitors. But it's hard to say if the sound is dull out of the monitors because the sound coming out of a pair of HS8 speakers are naturally going to sound quite different than the sound coming through headphones. So it's not comparing apples to apples there. Whereas I would think that the sound coming from my headphone output of the Kemper should be relatively the same as the sound coming from the Clarett headphone out since I'm using the same headphones as the "speakers" in both situations.
The sound is dull while recording and also when playing the recording back through the headphones.
I'll have to test the sound of the Kemper going straight to the monitors. My guess is that it will sound fine because the Kemper sounds good when I run straight to FOH or my in-ears. But again, even in those instances, I'm not using the headphone output. So I'm not comparing apples to apples.
Maybe some over-looked setting in the Control software? I'm not familiar with the Focusrite Control version so I couldn't do a walk-thru.
I would try to delete and re-install the Focusrite drivers. After the delete, make sure you do a reboot before re-install. Then just try out the interface with only one channel connected (with SPDIF disconnected), then plug in your other channels one at a time, test each, then the SPDIF.
I'm on a Mac, so there are no drivers to install. I'm hearing all the inputs and outputs correctly. It's just the sound of the Kemper lacks clarity. Maybe the Clarett is just not high quality enough either.