Posts by ColdFrixion

  • No, WE don't need a kemper2

    Quote from andreio23

    No harm intended by the way. I just find it funny that the same “influencers” who 3 years ago were promising that the Kemper Profiler is super accurate now have turned around and find a myriad differences in tone.

    I also find it funny that people jumped on the bandwagon both times, no questions asked.

    What? Bea said that QC sounds even more realer? Better get a more realer Kemper or I HAVE to buy the qc.

    I mean it’s not my money but just an observation ...

    My opinion isn't specific to the Kemper. Of the samples I've heard, I also hear differences between some QC captures and the actual amp. When there is a difference, the discrepancies tend to be less noticeable, but they're there.

  • No, WE don't need a kemper2

    Quote from andreio23

    Computers are perfectly precise and can be described mathematically in exact ways.

    If I am able to profile an amp perfectly then it proves that perfect profiles are achievable and any deviation from this result is due to user error.

    Well, no, it proves that particular amp at that particular setting can be profiled accurately. Read the quote I just posted from the FAQ above. Christoph himself has admitted that sometimes there are differences.

  • No, WE don't need a kemper2

    Quote from andreio23

    But then how can you know how the profiles you buy sound compared to the amps they were based on?

    It is relevant in a scientific sense. Once you’ve learned everything there is to know about profiling. Once you try and fail a good number of times. Once you can properly profile some amps but others you just cannot.


    Then you might say that it is imprecise. Just because one person or another says that it doesn’t mean it’s true because its possible that they didn’t go through the whole experience building process. Listen to the clip I posted and close your eyes. Can you honestly tell which is which?

    Again, one example of a profile that sounds accurate is not a representative sample. If there are several counter-examples from people who are intimately familiar with how to properly capture a profile that demonstrate an objectively verifiable difference, that's relevant.


    Further, and more importantly, Kemper has already stated that profiling cannot accurately capture an amp if there is more than one stage distorting significantly. This was from the KPA site FAQ:


    "The relation between the intermodulations and the unprocessed sine sweeps tell us the full story about the distortion shape and dynamic of the tube and the behavior of the surrounding circuit. It can even deliver the information about several distortion stages in a row, so long as there is only one stage significantly distorting."

  • No, WE don't need a kemper2

    Quote from Wheresthedug

    How is that even remotely relevant? I mean SERIOUSLY.

    Yes, seriously. How is it even remotely relevant?


    Quote from GearJocke

    Seriously, you have painted your self in a corner and don't know how to get out.

    Here's why it's not relevant to the question AT ALL. Because profiling my amp or you profiling your amp isn't a REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE. If your profile sounds spot on, what does that prove regarding the accuracy of profiling in general? Absolutely nothing. It's a single solitary example.

  • No, WE don't need a kemper2

    Quote from andreio23

    You said that the profiling process is not accurate so I asked you how many times did you personally ran that process?

    And what setup did you use?

    I asked how it's even remotely relevant whether anyone has profiled an amp in order to determine whether a Kemper profile someone else has profiled properly is indistinguishable from the reference amp, so I'll ask again. How is whether I've profiled my amps remotely relevant? Tell me.

  • No, WE don't need a kemper2

    Quote from andreio23

    How many amps did you profile yourself and what setup did you use?

    There’s a large difference between profiles made by people who know their stuff well ( like in the video I posted in my previous post ) and youtubers like Rabea or Paul.

    Big difference!

    Are you familiar with SinMix?

  • No, WE don't need a kemper2

    Quote from OneEng1

    Ok, subjectively many more people think the KPA sounds better than the Axe II Fx.

    Specifically, what percentage of people think the KPA sounds subjectively better than the Axe-Fx II?


    Quote from OneEng1

    Ok, fair enough. Of all the people I know and converse with in forums, the majority do not rely on profiles they created for their live show. Source, me.

    In other words, it's not a fact.


    Quote from OneEng1

    I see. So a fractal device must be used exclusively with the original firmware forever if you don't wish it to change your tone then. Great feature. Good to know.

    Most updates that alter the modeling algorithms don't affect the sound of presets unless you reset the amp model in the preset.


    Quote from OneEng1

    ONE of the many great features of the KPA is its ability to capture an amp in a given state; however, as discussed ad nauseum in the NQC thread, just capturing isn't enough. In order for it to be useful to the most number of people, the amp parameters need to be able to be EASILY modified for specific taste. This is where the KPA excels. Great tones, ease of use, many great live options, great value, etc .... these are where the KPA hits home IMO. Keeping the tones the same is another.

    There's not a unit out there that can't modify the sound of a model(or QC capture after the fact). The unique feature that has set the KPA apart from every other unit on the market for the last decade has been profiling.


    Quote from OneEng1

    as discussed in this and other threads, this isn't the ONLY reason people use it.

    Straw man. I never claimed it's the only reason people use it.


    Quote from OneEng1

    REALLY? ONE change to tone in an early release and THAT is what you want to hang your hat on?

    Well, if it's not worth hanging your hat on, then why did you repeatedly argue that the change in 2.6 did not affect previously created profiles?


    Quote from OneEng1

    Sadly, I see little need for tonal improvements. Are there any that could be made? Sure, and it would be nice to have them; however, for live settings, the existing KPA is already a fantastic gig rig. I don't think any existing KPA owners are going to be rushing out to by the KPA2 because they feel their current tone is lacking. Certainly, their will be many (most here I suspect) who would want one, but I hardly think we on this forum represent the average KPA user out there. I think we are much more likely to spend 3K on something we don't NEED than the average musician out there.

    There are plenty of people who use the KPA for recording, so I think improvements to the profiling process would be a good selling point, but it would be one in a number of other complementary features.


    Quote from OneEng1

    Do I think that a KPA2 could potentially sound better than the current KPA? Sure, some. I simply believe that we are talking diminishing returns at this point.

    Some of the discrepancies I (and others) hear between certain profiles and the reference amps they're based on are, at times, significant, so if the profiling process could be improved to remediate the difficulties the KPA has profiling certain amps, that could be a good selling point for a KPA2.

  • How many here play live vs. do not play live?

    I'm talking about people who've recently (and regularly) played live or had to stop playing live regularly due to the pandemic. I'm not talking about people who've played live once or twice or who used to play live regularly years ago. If you record but also regularly play live, then you still qualify as someone who plays live.

  • No, WE don't need a kemper2

    Quote from OneEng1

    Ok, you are right. The Axe-Fx II is clearly better than a KPA and all those that say different are blithering idiots. Do you feel better now?

    Value is subjective, thus saying either one is better is wholly a matter of opinion. A certain feature might be better for my needs, but what I want or need is specific to me.

    Quote from OneEng1

    Most people don't give a crap if the profile sounds exactly like the source. Most people NEVER profile an amp with the KPA. MOST people just love the way it sounds.

    Specifically, what percentage of people care if a profile sounds exactly like the actual amp? And what percentage of people actually profile their own amps? Source, please?

    Quote from OneEng1

    The LAST thing you want is for a firmware update to change it for you without your consent!

    Updating is consensual.

    Quote from OneEng1

    No, no, no. As I keep saying to you, people DON'T WANT their existing rigs to change! They already have them sounding like they want. It is fine for new profiles to start differently than an older firmware would have because people still tweak them to their liking....... but once that is done, NO ONE wants the device to simply change it for them when a firmware update is applied. I KNOW that this is what the Fractal offerings do, and therefore YOU think this is somehow a GOOD thing! IT ISN'T!

    You've misconstrued my position. I never said I wanted updates to change the sound of previously created tones. In my experience, an update that improves the accuracy of the profiling process is desired by a number of people. After all, the primary concept behind the KPA is the ability to accurately capture the sound of a rig.

    Quote from OneEng1

    When I state that this is a unique selling point for the KPA

    Profiling is the unique selling point of the KPA, and accuracy obviously plays a huge role in that. According to the marketing brochure, "The Kemper Profiler can capture the sonic DNA of a guitar amp with the press of a single button." It can capture it "easily and perfectly into the digital domain."


    Quote from OneEng1

    NO IT DOESN'T.

    Well, you're clearly wrong:

    Due to a software flaw from day one, a number of existing PROFILEs feature a little too much energy in the region

    below 60 Hz, when compared to the original amp.... we have taken the opportunity to correct this with the latest operating system.

    The result is an increased authenticity, even of PROFILEs created previously

  • How many here play live vs. do not play live?

    Do you play live (or did you play live before the pandemic)? Or do you strictly record, play at home, are a hobbyist, etc? By "play live", I'm referring to people who've recently and regularly performed live, not someone who's played live a couple of times or used to play live years ago.

  • No, WE don't need a kemper2

    Quote from OneEng1

    Here are the facts.


    The Kemper sounds noticeably better than the Axe FX II by any reasonable measure.

    That's clearly an opinion. I've Tone Matched Kemper profiles using the Axe-Fx II and the results were indistinguishable in blind tests. That's really one of the biggest advantages of the Axe-Fx; it can Tone Match live or recorded tones.

    Quote from OneEng1

    The Kemper and Axe Fx III both create a similar tonal and touch experience with the Kemper having an edge in soft breakup tones.

    That's also an opinion.

    Quote from OneEng1

    A profile created in 2012 still sounds IDENTICAL today on a KPA.

    There are quite a few users who wish the profiling process would get updated because they can hear a difference between some Kemper profiles and the reference amps they're based on. I mean, the profiling process isn't perfect, but Christoph has said there's virtually no room for improvement. So, yes, while a profile created in 2012 will sound mostly the same today, quite a few people wish profiles sounded more accurate now than they did in 2012.

    Quote from OneEng1

    A patch created on the Axe Fx II the day it was released will sound quite different on the last firmware released for the device.

    That's the difference. The profiling process isn't perfect and has no room for improvement, while the Axe-Fx sounds close to perfect and is still being improved.

    Quote from OneEng1
    I never said that the profiling algorithm did not change. I SPECIFICALLY said the rigs made don't change with new firmware releases.

    The release notes for firmware 2.6 specifically stated that the changes affected previously created profiles.