I really like this! Would be a nice tune on an Arena album Why always making comparison? But it somehow reminded me of the playing of John Mitchell from Arena and the synths also have a nice 80s / Genesis vibe.

What's the purpose asking "can people hear a real amp from a profiler" then making recordings/examples to compare and NONE of them with a real amp (only digital units were used)?

I could not play much guitar, because I have both arms injured atm. But here is another short demo recording.

First pedal off, then pedal on. The pedal can sound much more extreme (or subtle of course). It can really transform humbuckers into single coily sounds better than expected. But here I tried to show a few more options (using a humbucker in a Strat):

First bridge humbucker sounding more "acoustic", next two examples the splitted bridge sounding brighter (more Tele) and the last one the opposite - giving a humbucker more bottom.

Cheap, simple to use and very useful pedal in my opinion!

Manual also says: "...yields a very rich and defined tone that cannot be obtained from an amplifier or much more complex equalizing system." I don't think this is completely true, but I never used an EQ that gave the promised results that easy and intuitive.

I got a new pedal 30 min. ago - the Electro Harmonix Knockout Attack Equalizer.

I tested with my Music Man Stingray guitar and wanted to see if it really can turn the humbuckers into something similar to single coils

I did not turn the knobs much and just hit record button to hear what it does. (Beware. This recording was not meant to be shared, so sorry for the playing. And I am sure I can dial in the pedal better in a few days.) First impression is surprisingly good.

EDIT: Second demo (see descripiton in post #6)

My main guitar is a Squier Deluxe Strat from 2008. Heavily upgraded over time, but it was a killer guitar right from the start.

It has been refretted 2 times and I still play it so much that after 2 years now the stainless steel frets already show slightly wear.

Long time I thought the high quality and sound of this specific guitar was just luck. But since then I had a lot of great cheapos in my hands. Indonesian made Squiers (Cort factory I think?) are such great guitars. Upgrade with a massive steel tremolo block often helps to reach the next level.

I have nice Fender US guitars, Music Man, Gibson, Ibanez Japan...

I prefer my Squier!

Thing is, I really like guitars with basswood body (maybe because I played only basswood Ibanez guitars when younger?). It may sound strange, but sometimes guitars have too much own character for me Than feels like the guitar is dictating the music and what she allows me to play. Often with basswood guitars it's the opposite. Much more versatile and I am in total control. And the pickups and playing seems to determine the sound even more than already. I like that.

About difference to expensive guitars: You can spend a lot money on mods of cheap guitars to upgrade to the specs of pricey guitars. But also achieve a lot with a small budget. For example my Squier maple neck now has ultra polished ss frets, custom shaped profile, oiled/waxed back and fretboard treated with nitro-based bale polish (?), bone nut... plays better than any boutique guitar neck I had in my hand. I did all myself and did not cost much.

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please point me to where both manufacturers and other voiced that they stopped uploading caused by the star rating.

This is Kindergarten. I have to proof what is common opinion with ALL sellers I know?! EVERY seller will tell you that it sucks big time. The current crowd rating is outdated since years and in this form has no benefit in such a giant rig collection at all. Everyone knows it, but I have to proof it?

I don't start searching now, but there have been posts where sellers said something like "which dumb ass has again voted with 1 star" after sharing professional rigs in RE. Then stopped sharing there. That's why many believe also competitors / trolls are voting. "Strategic vote" as you call it.

Look at the free profiles section. And when people ask why the profiler is not sharing in RE too, the answer is: voting system.

I remember the topic popping up since years. Wasn't for example Bommel also having started a similar thread showing how demotivating the rating is for profilers?

But what really matters is the fact, that the current rating is absolutely useless as a guide through thousands of rigs. I can not even see how many people voted 1 star, 2 star, 3 star ... this is just the most ridicilous thing ever.

RE with it free rigs was/is one of the keys for the Kemper success! Why not improve it also in this aspect. Can you tell me ANY benefit of the rating how it is?

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if somebody decides to place strategic vote, we won't hold you back. at the same time, we will not remove the entire crowd voting because you think it's not fair.

we talk about free rigs here. if you don't trust the crowd rating, ignore it and just browse rigs. it's not like you're spending money based on a rating which is off.

Why would you support a rating that discourages some people to upload rigs? There is an easy solution by changing it to "likes". So we can see what profiles really are popular much better.

And it is NOT just me. Many don't need crowd rating and those who love the idea will be pleased with "likes only". Who is satisfied with the current system? The trolls downvoting?

I am waiting for the post of someone that explains here, what benefit respectless rating with 1 star has.

About "accurate crowd rating". I see a rig with 3,3 rating. What does this mean? People think this is a "mediocre" profile?

What if the rating was 10 x 5 star, 6 x 2 star, 4x 1 star. So 50 % thought it is a killer rig for classic hard rock with nice mids. The other 50 % thinks the profile totally sucks, because they expected a metal tone or something else with less mids. No one thought it it was a mediocre profile!! Some loved it, some hated it. So the 3,3 star rating has zero value!

I described that I really liked some 1 star rigs, like the latest hetfield garage inc. profile in RE. So when @G String suggest that I should participate voting with 4 or 5 star, we have exactly what is described above.

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If you want a more accurate crowd rating, start rating the rig you've previewed.

It's not fair to downvote profiles that don't fit my style or taste. I don't do that. It also will not give a more "accurate" rating, when some people like me now only give 5 star votes, when the system still offers negative votes. You don't have to be a statistician to notice that. The crowd rating in this form just has no value and - as said - is discriminating and discouraging people from uploading.

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I don't really get the point.

If you're not interested in the crowd ratings, just ignore and hide it.

The "point" is: The crowd rating has many negative effects and ignoring does not solve it!

Plus it does NOT achieve what it was meant for.

It is discouraging people to upload their profiles! And this really sucks! Especially profilers that put a lot of work in creating perfectly usable rigs and share it for free feel completey fooled by getting downvoted. So they stop sharing and delete their files.

Another negative effect is, that people stop uploading multiple profiles of different amp settings or various miking options, because such efforts (showing all the variety of the gear) will often lead to irrational downvotings.

And also beginners or people who just want to share their fun experiments get "punished".

I am not a fan of 1 star rating in general. Why devalue the effort of anyone who is uploading his profiles? That's a point that I don't get. And it should not be possible!

ST If someone wants to share experience with other profile owners, the Rig Echange is the least suitable thing I can think of. Only very few use it (and some of the few are obvious ignorant people). We have the Kemper forum for this and can really interact there.

Downvoting with 1 star (especially on authentic profiles/good work) is just stupid and pissing on peoples work. There was the rumour that some of that was also done by competitors and trolls.

Quote from Wheresthedug

totally agree, the crowd rating system is useless. I actually hide that column by default.

That's an option - just hide it.

But I know several (commercial) profilers who stopped sharing on RE because of that. They shared obviously great stuff to the crowd, that was professionally captured with pro gear, but some ignorant people downvoted it. Could be competitors too. That really sucks.

No one needs this kind of "crowd rating."

Maybe try "mix ready profiles" profiles that have the whole signal chain baked in. Or at least use IR in the cab section that have all the EQ and stuff baked in already.

You can make these kind of IRs by yourself. Shoot an IR of a real cab or Kemper cab or use a commercial IR. Then add everything you need to shape your sound (you can use plugins in your DAW). Then shoot a new IR with the whole signal chain and copy to Kemper.

Today I was really enjoying some of those 1 star rated profiles in Rig Exchange ... and again noticed how annoying this "crowd rating" is.

It has ABSOLUTELY ZERO value. Really.

This has nothing to do with "different taste" or something. People with no clue about gear and sound and trolls seem to downvote anything what they don't like.

What's going on in their head?? Most of the ratings are only a bad joke or the people don't get the idea of profiling. What are they thinking?

Like: "I wanna play some mellow jazz" clicks on a Metal profile "meh this sounds bad, I give it 1 star".

Or: "I don't like modern metal, I give everything tight sounding and mix-ready profiles for 7 string guitars 1 star!"

Or clicks on an absolutely authentic profile of a small combo amp and thinks: "This sounds way to boxy, I want the sound of 4x12 - I give it 2 stars for sounding so small".

So the crowd rating does not picture any kind of "quality" or help user find good profiles. Of course there are profiles that are obviously "faulty" (phase issues, really really bad miking, ...) - but these are often not 1 star, but 4 star rigs that no serious musician will ever use in any context

But it's o.k. that 2 or 3 people in the world like them and have fun. But it is not o.k. when people downvote good stuff because they have no clue or have an agenda.

Now looking in RE, you simply don't know if a 1 star rated profile is an authentic rig that absolutely nails the tone of a specific amp and cuts through the mix until you tried it. Could be, the person who voted with 1 star simply doesn't know how a good profile of this amp, cab, mic...sounds. Or is a beginner expecting "amp in the room" tone or only likes scooped Metal tone...

Please Kemper think about removing the crowd rating. It makes no sense at all.

Or only allow "likes", so we can see what many people think is good. But crazy people downvoting good rigs just sucks.

Left side is way louder than right side?!

"TUBE18 CH1 IR OH 412" by Shadow6683 is a very good clean tone! Like a perfect fusion of solid state and tube clean.

Some may say that clean tones sound the same with every rig anyway and it's only the cab that makes a difference. That is not (totally) true.

I definitly can hear the "signature" Hughes&Kettner clean characteristics in this rig, which I really like.

Interestingly enough the profile takes (external) overdrives pedals better than the original amp. Because of the op amp (and feedback-connected diodes) in the input of the Tubemeister18 amp, you have to be careful with gain staging / output of overdrive pedals. The Kemper profile on the other hand "doesn't know" how the original amp exactly reacts when hit with pedals and is very pedal friendly. So this is a nice surprise: A clean tone that really has the H&K dna I love AND reacts better to pedals than the original!

And not to forget, it's free Thanks to all the people still uploading their rigs!

(Classic )Heavy Metal is the next level on the "heavy" scale. See the career of Judas Priest as an example of leaving "rock" behind and define the heavy metal genre.

Thinking of Heavy Metal, great singing is characteristic!!

And Geoff Tate, Michael Kiske, Rob Halford, Simone Simons, Harry Coklin, Devon Graves, Stu Block, Todd La Torre, Floor Jansen, thousand others... can sing Wheresthedug 😉

Cab maker is not needed anymore.

All IR you drop into rig manager are converted automatically into Kemper cab format (44,1 kHz and 24 bit).

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Further updates, I tested the load box vs mic’ing and then EQ matched. The mic’ed version is worse than the load box version. It’s adding a ton of extra crap under 100hz.

I then decided to profile my JCM800, to rule out that it’s just a problem capturing an EVH 5150 III. I didn’t use any pedals and low and behold, that one is also adding more subs than what’s present. Can someone look into this? I’m pretty much ready to sell this thing. It’s one thing if it was always like this, but My profiles from 2015 sound way better on my JCM 800 with the exact same gear.

Someone told me that own both the stage and the toaster that this problem happens to them only with the toaster but doesn’t appear with the stage. ckemper ??

I own the rack version.

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Have you contacted support to clarify if this is the bug mentioned earlier?

I know such things can be very frustrating!

We can only guess and have no real solution.

Have you checked if in the Output section "Pure Cabinet" is off and all EQ are set flat?

I really hope you can figure out what is wrong

Why not update to OS 8.5.8 release? Just try and see if it was already fixed.

Quote from Ni6htWalker

was a video showing that he profiled that Marshall amp

How is this related to the Winger pack and the question?