Did anyone see the same bug I mentioned many posts ago ( no stomps shwoing on the remote) ?
Sorry V8guitar but my remote is at the rehearsal room and we can't go there currently because of COVID restrictions at my city. So I have not been able to check that bug.
This volume stall is in a way a known feature.
It's caused by the volume compensation in the AMP that keeps clean and cleaner sounds at the same level as distorted sounds.
Is the volume stall in your way when you activate a stomp, or when you increase the volume of the stomp or both?
I recognized it as a stall before testing with objective data. Of course that feature would be natural because of the amp compression at certain levels . Then I tested it at regular input (green led) and found that there was no stall but even increase of volume going from 2.2 to 5 volume value in the KD. After testing with a higher input volume as lightbox suggested I found a decrease in volume when going from 2.2 to 5 in the KD.
I am recording some examples for you to hear and even test yourself. I will upload them when they are ready.
I want to be clear here ckemper. I am trying to help. Not criticize your product. I´m testing a beta release here so I think that when another user reports a bug, If we can we should try and reproduce it to report.
Everyone here wants the best KPA that we can have.
How does the signal react when you keep the KD volume at +5.0 but lower the reamping volume?
Testing this right now.
Download the rig. I'm not set up for recording, but direct into the kemper kone with a strat and the drive appears to work as it should. Unless ive missed something
to be able to do the test right it is important that the input signal of the guitar or the reamped DI is quite high. The input led of the KPA should be turning yellow . It is unlikely that you get this with a regular strat if it has not very hot pickups or if you don't play extremely loud. It is during that time, when the input led is yellow, that the problem arises with lightbox setup.
When the input led is always green, on my experience everything works as it should.
I will do my own tests again this afternoon again and report back.
I do think that my KPA reacts the same way as lightbox 's does.
I am willing to do any test to help in this question. But I do think that it would give us more consistent results working with the same DI.
I could make one myself but I think it would be better if lightbox could create one that produces the issue for him and then share it with us so we can go and check it on our own profilers under the most similar conditions.
Since you can now reproduce the situation ... I don't think you can further boost the signal with a Pure Boost after the Kemper Drive. You can try it, I'm currently not in my studio but I'm pretty sure that once this level drop happens, you can't further boost the amp that way.
I already did it. You can. It works. Only if you put the boost after the stack.
But as I already told to OneEng1 it's only a partial fix.
I think it is better to just wait and see what ckemper has to say about this. If it is working as intended for some security reason and they can't fix it.
Or maybe what would be more desirable that is they can fix it and have the 24dB dynamic range even if you have a loud input signal.
Only if they can't fix it would make sense to start looking for workarounds.
Whatever the answer is, I would like to thank ckemper . For everything.
Yes and I have done that for a couple years now haha. But it’s a needless workaround and waste of an effects slot. Or, we can just solve this mystery and get a realistic amount of dB from the Stomps
Apparently it's only when you hit the input with a loud signal. So there must be some security related configuration that justifies it.
The dynamic range in my first test at a lower input volume was very similar to the 24 dB that CK told for the Klon.
As a work around, couldn't you guys put a pure boost at the end of the post amp chain to get the volume back and then set both the KD and the PB to activate/deactivate on the same foot controller press?
This works to boost the complete signal but does not work to get the dynamic range back to normal values.
Atlantic Can you level your DAW's ReAmp output in such a way that the Kemper's input LED briefly lights yellow on the transients (or more) and redo your test, please? And please make sure your Clean, Dist and Reamp Sense are set to default 0.0
And yes, it will not necessarily result in a peak level drop but the "perceived volume" (aka LOUDNESS meter) shows a slight drop.
Regardless of meters, you should also be able to hear how the sound starts to "step back", starts to loose its "openness".
lightbox you are right. I redid my test uping the input of the DI track till the looped short chord turned the input led yellow. Because the loop is so short I can make that light a somewhat "permanent" yellow.
The results:
Volume -5= -23 dB
Volume -2.5= -19dB
Volume 0 = -16dB
Volume 2.5= -15dB
Volume 5= -17dB
Again lightbox you are right.
In order to throw some more light over this issue I have gone back to my Rig Manager and DAW reamping thru the same rig that lightbox shared with us from his videos.
I have then measured the dB on different Volume settings of the KD, feeding a very short loop of just a chord from a DI and just using a simple VU meter from the DAW.
The results under my test where the following:
Volume -5 = -46dB
Volume -2.5= -43dB
Volume 0= -40dB
Volume 2.5= -34dB
Volume 5= -24dB
This confirms my initial observation that in my KPA there is an increase of volume over the 2.2 setting.
I insist that we might be talking here about a "perceived volume" issue.
Maybe lightbox can make a simple test like mine to see if there is a real volume issue or not.
I need a little help finding new Od's,Where will i find them?
once you have installed both the new Rig Manager and the new OS 8.0 beta to your devices, then you have to load the presets to your Rig Manager or your Profiler.
For this you have to download the compressed file for OS 8.0 from the download section of the Kemper website, on beta versions. Inside there is a folder containing the presets.
Once you have that folder you can drag and drop the presets to a presets folder inside Rig Manager.
If you want you can also put them into a USB stick into the Shared folder and once you plug it to your Kemper you then have to press Import.
ckemper I can confirm that I experience the same volume drop behaviour that lightbox refers to. It happens with all Overdrive and distrotions that I have tested so far. It has always been like this as far as I can remember. I haven't really paid much attention to it in the past as I really never use OD stomps but any time I have tried I have always had this result. I get similar behaviour regardless of where my clean sens is set.
In my case I wouldn't call it a volume drop but more a volume "stall". But with the added gain from the amp that you get over some volume values, the sound gets completely lost in the mix. But if you check the meter in your DAW there is no real volume drop. Hope that this makes sense.
It's supposed to "overdrive" a cleanish amp setting into distortion (with the amount of volume deciding how much I want to push it and the tone controls helping to shape how the boosted amp sounds).
The thing is. When I use your rig, out of a mix, if I up the volume on the KD over 2.3 value, the amp gets clearly more distorted. On that sense you are pushing it the way you are describin. But for some reason that probably CK can explain, at some point the volume level does not get louder but with more gain the sound gets lost in the mix (as all high gain users know. More gain, you get lost in the mix and you have to compensate some way).
CK has talked here about some dB limitations within the chain for safety reasons. But somehow when the dB come BEFORE the KPA if you use the booster pedal, that higher level goes thru the chain without problems.
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My friend did a proper test ,and result pretty the same ....
And i understood why you couldn`t exactly repeat mine
For some reason my rig profile don`t open properly .....with my friend rig manager
i give him a screenshot with proper settings ..and everything fell in place...
Here proof of reamp,with my original file and friend reamp
and screenshot with settings
All this proves that the problems with harsh are in the kemper drive model...
It just don`t sound right,, and green scream ...as well
OK, I see.
I have done it again with your settings. No need to upload it again. Now it sounds exactly the same as yours.
No wonder yours sounded more harsh than mine in the test I did before if you had Tone knob at 10.
So I guess it's just a matter of taste, and you don't like the Kemper Drive where other users do like it. That's a shame for you. I hope you find some workaround.
I have never used overdrives myself and tend to rely on amp distortion. But I do like the OCD (I have a real one version1,7) and I have tested against the Full OC in the Kemper and it is 90% the same. But it still sounds great and that 10% different doesn't mean worse, just a little different in some areas. Even all the different OCD versions are different from each other so I am not going to complain about that.
Anyway. Happy to help and confirm that nothing seems to be wrong with your unit. It´s working as expected whether you like it or not.
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This is very strange ...i exactly replicated your result witn tone knob on 7 .....
with my rig - tone knob is set to MAX
And you result has no dynamic at all,,,,worse than my original ....
To both of you, please keep in mind that I am not saying that the KD has no issues. Actually I am probably the only one checking for your issues outside of the Kemper team, and reporting back. I'm taking it from a debugging point of view.
Regarding artembankin issue, and the dynamics. Ok, I thought that we where looking for digital clipping or harshness. So I upped the input to the max (not just a little like you asked me to do ). And obviously that mus have hit the compressor in the Master bus of my DAW, hence the lack of dynamics I guess. Anyway, in my first example at exactly the same settings as your reference tone, the harshness in your original was higher than mine. Please consider that something else in your KPA might be creating those issues.
lightbox in your first video I understood that you had no volume rise after 2.3 value. It was clear I think as it even got lost in the mix the higher you turned the knob. And that is precisely what I replied about, because in my KPA with the last beta installed and with your settings there is a clear and proportional rise in volume after 2.3 until I reach 5.0 value. There is no doubt that in your second video the pedal booster is a lot more powerful than the KD, but still we don't know if the loss of volume over 2.3 is fixed using KD. We might be talking about two different issues here.
I have upped the level of the DI track to max +12dB that my DAW allows to.
This is the result. I didn't change anything else on the settings so the result is louder obviously.
https://drive.google.com/file/…UHauRTtZnwS6VKfTJZXkLLcAS
I still think it is less harsh than yours. Do you hear the same?
Try to up input level a bit ,,and your results will be identical to my ...
this means - what "digital clipping " - is not only my problem ....
Reamp Sens is at 12 dB
SPDIF Output is at 0dB maximum output. This means I cannot up the input level anymore.
What do you think of my result? I think it is not as harsh as yours. Have you updated to the last beta?
Oh, and after that the level on the meter in my DAW is EXACTLY the same as your WAV file.
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for replication , i made DI , result with KPA ,,,and this rig profile ...
Everyone who have option for reamping (digital or analog ) - can replicate it ....
https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1FlwpYu2DhEFN6hA_AfWHPSxGYffg19yE
I reamped your DI using your settings:
https://drive.google.com/file/…-F8Z_pgIz60idzLBPOLZQ3w5E
edit: I used SPDIF for reamping as it is the set up that I have for that
ckemper and all others:
I made a demo video ... not so much focussed on measurements but demoing a real world example with a recent recording. So please have a nice set of headphones or good speakers and (hopefully) enjoy.
The rig is attached in this post.
very nice demonstration of the issue.
There is a new beta version. Rig Manager offered to update as soon as I opened it.
Would you please try it and see if you still have the same problem? I tried your profile when I had already updated to the last beta and volume pot seems to keep working passed 2.3 value.
I don't really know if it is solved with the new beta or if it is a device related bug only affecting your unit. Or maybe it is just that the changes after value 2.3 make the guitar get lost in your mix instead of what should be desired that is coming forward in the mix.
Lastly, I recommend to all that you don't lose sight of the real goal: being a better musician.
Probably that is your goal. But mine is to have fun. And some times I have more fun just searching for tones or tweaking than just playing and playing to improve my skills as a musician.
And also, knowing how to get different sounds makes you a better musician. Not only playing your instrument.
At least you dont have to buy any drive pedals for the forseeable
and using less pedals is always a plus if families of four tend to throw up on your pedalboard. Less to clean I guess.
And we thought that beer was a problem...
Users have been doing this for years. There are already some Klon boosted profiles on RE.
Profiling pedals yields mixed results and doesn't provide much flexibility to tweak the profile.
Sorry. Maybe I didn't explain myself right.
I'm not talking about making profiles with a Klon or whatever pedal in the chain. I'm talking about making presets using the Kemper Drive to match the real pedal that the user might have. And then share those presets with the community.
