Fairly new to this but it seems like it did the downloads at the same time??
I had checked the box for Beta updates and then was notified about the OS update....
You needed to install the new Rig Manager AND the KAOS 8.0 beta, both. Sounds like maybe you did one or the other...
Hi Guys, just downloaded the latest version and the Kemper drive and the OC are both not working very well.
Does anybody have any experience in downloading beta files and then not have them working properly?
If so, is there a way to remove them>
Thanks, in advance Jeff
What is it they’re doing?
Display MoreExactly ... and that's why I use an amp profile. I might have to make a video to demo what's going on here. But this might take a few days.
In the meantime I give it a last try with a picture and a list of what I do
- I connect my guitar to my Ceriatone Centura and this goes straight into my actual 1982 Marshall JCM 800 Bass Series. I set it up the same way I had profiled it about a year ago.
- Now I setup the sound I like on the Centura, Gain: noon, Treble: noon, Output: 3 o'clock
- Result: Glorius crunchy sound, highly dynamic and the same round bottom end I love from this amp
- Now I go from the Centura into the Loop Mono of my Profiler (slot B) with the same amp's profile loaded
- Result: Exactly the same glorius crunchy sound, love it so much!
- Now I disable the Loop Mono and put the Kemper Drive with preset Klon 4 in another slot (A)
- Result: Pretty thin sound, no mojo at all, not even actual crunch going on. What a disappointment
- Now I increase the Kemper Drive Volume to max (+5.0)
- Result: There we go, almost there, just about 2.8dB volume missing (I mentioned in an earlier post that I would need more than the +5.0 to exactly match)
Look at the screenshot below which documents quite well what's going on (apart from the distortion component).
Measured with the amp profile active!
Red Line: Ceriatone Centura
Dark Green Line: Kemper Drive Klon 4 default (see how it has much less bass bump?)
Light Green Line: Kemper Drive Klon 4 with Volume +5.0
Now regarding the distortion component of matching the sound:
At 40Hz the Distortion with default Klon 4 preset is a whopping 24dB less than with my Centura
At 80Hz the difference is still 10dB
It's very easy to hear the difference!
Interestingly, when I push the Kemper Drive Volume of the Klon 4 preset to max (+5.0), the Distortion is pretty much a perfect match to my Centura.
Bottomline:
I can make a dead on replica of my favourite Centura (Klon) setting, with the exception that I need 2.8dB more to perfectly match the overall volume.
Veeeerrrrrry interesting haha. That light green curve is impressively close.
So the bass curve changed that much from just raising the volume?! And this graph is of the stomp only or it includes the profile?
Have spent the day putting the various new drives in front of favourite amps from M.Britt, TAF and others. Wow!
Loving the way they push these rigs and make them sing. Huge smile on my face, fingers aching...
Going to do it all again tomorrow but this time with a Strat...
Huge thanks to ckemper and team
Totally! I think they push profiles super well. I’m trying cleaner profiles than I would otherwise go for.
If this was any indication for me doing something wrong, then tell me if the use of the Klon 4 preset in front of an amp is pointless ... or the use of a Ceriatone Centura pedal with Gain at noon, tone at noon and output at 3 o'clock. I can only wonder what you're trying to tell me.
All I meant by it was that since both your pedal and the stomp are pushing the profile significantly, they’ll sound more a like than maybe they actually are. I’m left wondering how similar the pedal actually is to the Kemper OD. To that end, I would say try to match them without pushing the volume.
All that is just for science and comparison. If it sounds good, it is good. That’s all that really matters to me. Personally, I’m very happy with both of the new OD’s. Very exciting.
The real Tubescreamer is like this. It’s mainly why it’s known as a great push pedal to a broken up amp, rather than the type of overdrive you’d use on a clean amp. Ew haha
Display MoreI tried to replicate the Kemper Drive Klon 4 preset using my Ceriatone Centura pedal and in the beginning I really struggled. Here's what I did and found:
- I used a custom made profile of my Tube Thomsen Defcon-7 (a VERY rare amp and I have serial #1) ... Gain on the Profiler is 5.5, profiled through a 4x12 with Greenbacks using Neumann TLM 49 and Beyerdynamic M160.
- Kemper Drive is in slot A and the Ceriatone Centura is in slot B using Loop Mono ... no other slots used
- When I switched back and forth with the Klon 4 preset and the suggested settings for a Klon pedal, they sounded VERY different, I mean VERY VERY different. Quite disapponting moment, to be honest.
- After some more testing and analyzing, I found out that it just doesn't work at all with the Kemper Drive's Volume set to default <0.0>. The Kemper Drive didn't push the amp even remotely the same like my Ceriatone Centura (with Output set to 3 o'clock).
- When I turned down the Centura's output (roughly 8 o'clock) to level match with the Kemper Drive, the sound was totally different.
- And then I basically did the opposite, turned the Centura back up to 3 o'clock Output and the Kemper Drive's Volume to +5dB maximum
- HOLY CRAP ... they are completely undistinguishable, couldn't almost believe it and even ran REW with a sine sweep to check frequency response and distortion characteristics. Frequency response is dead on same, for distortion characteristics, Fundamentals and THD are a perfect match! WOW!
The only thing I wonder is the following:
The distortion in the odd harmonics (3,5,7,9) is pretty much a perfect match between Kemper Drive and Ceriatone Centura.
But the even harmonics (2,4,6,8) look very different (see attached pictures). Especially in the low frequencies and the bump at around 1kHz. Hmmmm.
When you push a profile, more of what you’re hearing is the “amp” rather than the pedal.
For comparison’s sake, I’d be more interested to tone match with the Stack off first. Then add the pedal and see how it shakes out.
You might be aware, that no single Profiler player has ever discovered these parameters by himself and identified them as a true sonical innovation over tube amps, and a crucial tool for the search of your individual tone.
Have you tried them?
To me this is a proof that diode configurations in ODs are highly overrated.
For your information, I use both of them frequently 
(and Power Sagging even more). Thank you for putting those controls in the Profiler.
Can anyone confirm a bug in 8.0? Using the Monitor out to a Kone and the speaker imprints aren’t working...
edit: scratch that. Seems it came back after changing rigs.
This is getting ridiculous.
I've managed to import the new presets into RM, so now they're visible under 'All Presets/Local Library' (they're not in any subfolder).
There are no presets under 'Kemper Drive' on the Stage when browsing presets. How do I get the presets from RM to appear on the Stage so that I can select them with the 'Browse' knob? I can't find any way to put them on the Stage. 'Store in PROFILER' right-click menu is disabled when selecting any preset in RM.
Local Library is local to your Rig Manager on your hard drive. Drag them to “My Profiler” under All Presets, assuming your profiler is connected, which it would need to be.
Awesome. The Kemper OD has loads of great sounds in there. Most of the way there but lots of possibilities anyway.
The OCD is excellent! Not only in how it sounds but the way it pushes profiles. Very realistic. Well done.
Aren’t Output settings “per Rig” if you unlock it?
Thanks for the info, guys.
I’m just using the cab just for jamming at home. Live, I’m still only using the Main outputs and dialing in my sounds with headphones. I get that I wouldn’t use a direct profile with no cab live haha so I guess it’s a moot point. I was just surprised.
The cab is bypassed when you select an imprint, but the cab still needs to be there for foh and headphones. Load any cab and the imprints will work fine with DI profiles
Does it matter at all what the cab is? Should I make an IR that’s just completely flat? Haha
It has to see a cab or it switches to full range. For say a acoustic guitar
So it’s not meant to work with direct profiles at all? That’s strange.
Hey guys! So I built my own cabinet and plan to order a Kone. So far though, I’ve tried all the features with a normal guitar speaker and I’m stoked already! Definitely more “amp in the room” sound than any other digital solution I’ve tried. The imprints are really great and the bass boost was a nice touch.
My only question... why don’t the imprints work right with direct profiles? Seems like that should be a slam dunk for great tones but it’s like, if it doesn’t have a studio cab to defeat, it no worky haha. Maybe I’m missing something.
Yup. That’s gonna be it for sure.
I’ve already downgraded and, even though my missing performances did not come back when I reverted to my last RM backup, I’m pretty sure I have older backups that will have them.
It was also loading random performances in the wrong slots. I’d double click on 5, for instance, and it then said 27 where the 5 was and pulled up performance 27. I had to scroll the knob on the Kemper to 5 to pull up the real 5.
Some big misfires, here. I’m pretty shocked.
Whoa. Way bigger problem. I’m missing SEVERAL performances!
Upon further inspection, they say “New Performance” but the first slot is how it should be (minus the name). But then the rest of the slots and blank. This is a huge frickin’ bug wow.
New beta 7.1.14 and RM 3.0.90. My Input is Locked (as usual) but the values change with every performance I load up. Will not Lock.
Can anyone verify?
