Wow, that's super surprising. As Dimi suggested, what were the EQ tweaks?
Posts by MementoMori
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The cool thing with those blind tests is: If you are right and can hear the difference (like I do
), you know you have great ears. If you are completely wrong, you than know that Kemper is even BETTER than you already thought it is. So a win-win situation here for me 
Depends on if what you're hearing is desirable.
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I am going to vote opposite to you - I think 1 is the Axe and 2 is the KPA. Not based on the sound but rather, the audio waveform. I remember once (and could be remembering wrong!) that the KPA waveform seemed to show less data / dynamics than the original amps.
For me it's based on the high mid spikes the KPA produces. It's not always this exaggerated so could be the challenge of profiling modelers vs amps.
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We have here two professional tools.One of this tool is (as I mentioned above) already a "standard" in many pro-studios and the main working tool for many professional gigging musicians on the road with "big names".This means some things are not a matter of taste but rather common sense and "minimum requirements of professional musicians to their main tool" kind of thing..Further..comparing these two modelers in 2019 is not the same like it was some years ago.In the meanwhile everybody has heard about definitions like "amp in the room"/FRFR and all these things many many guys never thought about before they bought a Kemper in lets say 2015..
Things have developed.New shootouts should be valued by these developments..These clips are not good.They do not stand for the Kemper or the AF3.Period.
You must have missed the point of ColdFrixion 's post, which he clearly answered this. If you isolate guitar tracks from a mix, they don't often sound as good in isolation. He matched this from a guitar tone used in a professional recording. Regardless of your feelings about the quality of the tone, Kemper should match it, good or bad.
So far these two tests (here and in the other post) confirm to me that there is no Kemper sound baked in across profiles and that it does a great job profiling modelers.
The differences in the clean test are very hard to detect, but here they're quite obvious to me.
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Always..
But my problem is that we have here two rather weird sounding clips(what is this for a weird "ringing"?) and for sure the KPA or the AF3 do not sound this poor.I would not say this if OP would be a newbie.But in this case OP knows that "requirements" are quite high if a "old member" does one more shoot out between these two modelers.I dont say that ColdFrixion does bad profiling or bad tweaking on purpose.I really dont believe this.But for sure we can do better.
Well, that's a matter of taste. I think the point would be that even if the original clip sounded a particular way, good or bad, it's worth considering how close the KPA matched the tone, good or bad. Though, some people like tones that may be harsh or brittle to others. Dimebag Darrell made a living at it.
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Improvement is good.
But just comparing the Axe to the Kemper is not an improvement.
Why not? 2 very similar, competing devices for basically the same demographic. It's not a comprehensive tell-all, but it is nonetheless useful.
You said earlier that you had been interested in Kemper/Axe-FX/Helix comparisons early on but you got over it. That's fine, but all 3 devices offer advancements and improvements. It's always something worth revisiting for those who still may be interested in the lightspeed that digital emulation is improving. If you're content without that, great, but this isn't the thread for you if so.
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I like more laughing at unnecessarily discussing people!
Usually things people find funny they don't call boring and get unnecessarily defensive about, but we are all different, I suppose.
My only polite suggestion is if you don't like the topic, ignore it. Otherwise you divert to actual topic, like you have, away from what others are genuinely interested in. I assume you don't walk up to people in day to day life having a group conversation about something they are all interested in and telling them how you don't think the conversation is worthwhile and it's boring you even though you invited yourself into it. When they ask why you bothered to join the conversation at all instead of just walking past, you tell them it's funny.
They'd naturally be no less confused.You can uncheck the "follow thread" button up top if you're not as genuinely interested as the others here. Or you can pretend you think it's funny even though it clearly annoys you and divert the thread even more while accomplishing nothing constructive. Or... you could hazard a guess like the rest of us. Let's be adults.
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There is a comparison of gears and consequently there is a dialogue about „better or worse“, of course.
These discussions we had in this forum again and again.
There can only be one result in such discussions:
The Kemper is the best gear of all besides tube amps!
People will always compare and discuss, so griping about it won’t make it go away, just waste your time and energy instead. You can turn off the notifications for the thread if you’re afraid your preconceptions might not be affirmed.
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Yes, meanwhile the discussion which gear is better or worse is boring.
Nobody is discussing “better or worse”, and if the blind test bores you, you’re free not to participate in the thread.
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Much harder to tell than the gain test, but I'm going to agree with Michael_dk.
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#1 has the normal Kemper business going. More high mids, shriller pick attack, the cocked-wah/tube screamer tone often discussed.
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Haven't read through the whole thread: but since mods encouraged requests ... for me what's most important is having everything that is available on the hardware UI be accessible from the editor. The point of struggle with every-day use has been having to reach out to kemper. If clean sens wasn't an option in the editor -- hypothetically speaking -- I'd still have to use the hardware. That's something I really want to avoid having to do. This includes the profiling function as well and reference vs amp section.
Agreed. I think all the deep-edit parameters have to be in an editor at minimum and even go further into organization. Ability to select from the heads & cabs in the KPA via dropdown would be ideal, and ability to save and recall amp & effects presets. Sorry if these were brought up before, I haven't read through the 14 pages of this thread.
The point of the editor IMO should be to remove any need of using the hardware while plugged in. Hopefully there's much more to it than what was shown at NAMM.
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Mr. Britt does visit from time to time. I would suggest finding his thread in the Commercial Section and posting your comment there might be the best way to get your questions answered.
For the OP, here is MBritt's thread. You can also send him a DM or tag lonestargtr within a thread with a question if need be. He's typically very communicative.
Top Jimi is Jimi71, though each pack has different threads in the commercial section.
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Nope... the offenders post was removed, not you at all.
That makes more sense. Was totally confused.
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DonPetersen , at what point does this guy’s continued condescending posts warrant a ban?
Who? I hope you're not referring to me as there was nothing condescending in my post. The OP wanted to know if the profiles on MBritt and Top Jimi's sites are different than on the Kemper. I only added that the profiles from rig packs are chosen from those packs.
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In the case of rig packs, they are chosen from commercial packs already offered by each vendor (if they are a vendor). MBritt, Top Jimi, Choptones, Guido, Lars, Amp Factory are just a few hand-picked profiles from their packs and usually renamed.
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We've all been here before when discussing this. Yes, the consumer should do their research. At the same time, many buyers, like myself, took it for granted that a digital product in the vein of Line 6, Fractal, etc, would have an in-depth editor. It's an industry standard at this point and pretty elementary. If the buyer assumes and then discovers, as I did, that there is in fact no desktop editor and only Rig Manager, there's an immediate frustration after the premium $ that you shelled out. Far lesser and simpler products have desktop/device remotes & editors.
I do think that the word "turd" isn't appropriate, though. RM is plenty useful, just frustratingly limited.
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Rig Manager is really just a way to not have to painstakingly load profiles via USB stick to audition and manually delete them. For that it's quite alright. Problem is that it runs out of usefulness immediately after that, which is a bit tragic.
The editor they showed at NAMM is at least something, but hopefully they expand beyond that. It more or less looks like knobs built into Rig Manager than a full editor like you find with comparable devices. That still has worth but it's a letdown if that's what we're getting after these years of asking for it. Hopefully there is better management included with it, including banks for quickly accessible amps/cabs/effects presets to be quickly selected from a stored location. Only time will tell.
I would say RM is less of a turd and more like a frustrating tease. For all of its limitations, I still make use of it, though. May as well.
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Be careful before you start a witch hunt.
I've just checked one of my own profiles (not on RE) and while I show up as the Author of the Rig, The amp and the cab shows as M Britt. This is definitely not the case. It may well be that whatever is loaded in the Kemper when you make a profile has some influence on the data that is stored with the new profile.
Just a thought.
I agree, except the amp section of each corresponds to a different seller. For example, his "Super lead 68" has all the info the popular Top Jimi 68 Super Lead and is the only profile to have those details.
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I just checked and the RickyStorti appear to be using other peoples profiles. I'll delete them from my list and I advise the mods to take them off RE.
