I use the Orange Pedal baby 100. Great power amp, Class A/B and very loud. Pushes the cab a lot like my tube amps do. Orange is actually using the PB100 as the output section for their new Crush pro amp.
I think that you are missing my point. Even IF it was possible to do dual stuff through RM, I highly doubt that they would do it, as it kind of eliminates some of really the big new things, they probably are going to make a potential MKII a justifiable purchase.
My initial post is not limited to KPA or a KPA II, this is an idea to get that functionality and that is all. This would not even be a hurdle for a KPA II either since this would not be a true dual amp solution only a way to essentially create a new profile out of two existing ones. In a true dual amp setup you would have the control to pan each one left, right, center, change volume levels independently which is just not going to be possible here. This more for doing things like creating an Adam Jones Tool tone from the correct VH4 and Bassman amps. If there is a KPA II then I would imagine, like the counter parts out there, you could just drop the two profiles in the signal chain. Every chain I have ever seen regarding dual amps has always had at least one person in it shooting it down because it could be a selling point for a KPA II. A feature like this could be implemented on any version of a KPA since it would not rely on the KPA's DSP.
Making sure something is solid before release is not holding back, that is good QC. Having a completed and tested product and not releasing because you can bundle it in something to force you to spend more money is holding back. There is a LONG list of other companies that do that.
Now as for me only having a Kemper since 2019 does not make me ignorant of what has gone on in the digital world. I have embraced the tech since the Line 6 Flextone amps were new, I have had a Helix and an AX8. I came over to Kemper only because I got tired of always tweaking and tone chasing on those units. The Kemper had been solid and insane sounding for the 7 years before I got one.
Yes, the idea would involve a good amount of heavy lifting to pull off. With the current RM a lot of pieces are already there to use. We already have a platform that allows the KPA to interact with the computer and allow what is going on to be heard, that piece right there would allow the process to use the computers resources. The application also allows us to interact with the various pieces of the signal chain like the amp. This would not be a case of a ground up design, there are pieces already in place.
As far as my comment about the Stage that is just one more thing they could have held back if a KPA2 was on the radar. Kemper has made itself one of the best units out there because they have not held their innovations back.
I am sure this has been discussed in house before and I have even scene threads requesting, putting it nicely, to have dual amps before. I just wanted to offer a suggestion on how it could be done instead of making noise that it isn't there.
I agree with you that the Kemper is an amazing tool. I have only been on board since 2019 but I love the convenience and amazing tone, even if I do gravitate to only a couple of patches (love the MBritt Dumble). I still check all the time for the newest update to see what new amzing things we are getting. I did think about trading it one time to get the QC but that only lasted a couple of minutes.
At this point I am not sure what else they could add to the Kemper as far as actual audible improvements, we have the fuzz, OD, modulation, tones , what ever it is I look forward to finding out.
Exactly my thought. I also highly doubt that. And I don’t see why they should “kill” a potential KPA 2 with that move. That would just mean, that the gap between the original and the MKII will be even smaller. And with the stuff they keep doing to it, it’s still a nice piece of gear.
IF a KPA2 was a focus there have been many things to have held back, like the current RM itself and the Stage unit. I have not seen anything that points to a push towards a KPA2. In fact the latest release of the Quad Cortex shows that the Kemper as is still competes head to head with the other leading units out there.
I was just sitting here messing with my Klon clone pedal and it gave me an idea for the possibility of a dual amp method for the Kemper. It may have been suggested in the past but here is the idea that I have had. Since we have the rig manager and it is becoming a powerful tool. This would probably involve a bit of design but would give us the ability to have two amps in a sense. The rig manager could be used to process two amps together into a new single amp. If we had the option to set mixing between the two during the creation process it would open up unlimited options. By using the rig manager to perform the work as well would bypass the Kemper and therefore allow the process to use the computers CPU and memory instead of the Kempers DSP. This does seem like there would be a lot of heavy lifting to be done to be able to get RM to generate the new amp but with RM it seems to me that we have the tool to be able to accomplish the process. I wish I had the tech knowledge to get into more detail on how the mixing and creation process would work. If nothing else it seems like a good point of conversation.
I've never seen Fender update a Princeton for free after they deliver it...
Kemper, the gift that keeps giving....
Thank-you thank-you thank-you...
True but you can only turn the knobs so far on the profile before it sounds bad. I can turn the knobs on my Rockerverb all I want and it still sounds like my Rockerverb. The Kemper is actually the only digital solution out there that was designed for people that have and love tube amps.
I would like to know myself. I leave the big heavy toys at home.
How about profiling your amps for us in case you decide to "maybe" get rid of the kemper again?
There are a few profiles of my Archon uploaded and I think my old 5150 III but I have not profiled my Rockerverb yet.
I don't miss valve amps at all.
The Kemper gives me:
1) One stop solution for effects etc
2) Near infinite sound options. I truly believe if it doesn't sound good, its how its set up - ergo its me/user error
3) compliments on my sound that I've never had
4) The simplest set up I've ever had, sound checks are a breeze
Its the only piece of equipment that has cured my amp GAS
For me I love the Stage for practices and live play. I live having the tube amps for home, recording and profiling. I love being able to just reach out and turn the knob if I want more or less of something. When I get a tone I love, I can just profile it and I have it live too.
How do you like the Pedal Baby? I have a similar setup, but I use a Duncan PowerStage 170. It's fine, but I keep wondering about the Pedal Baby. 🤔
I love it, I have never tried the PS170 so I cant make a direct comparison. It sounds and feel insanely good to me.
I bought the Stage when it was released back in August of 2019 and was impressed from the start. Since then I have had a few tube amps in and out of the home studio, currently I have a Rockerverb 50 MKii and an Archon 50. I love my amps but I really love tossing my Kemper in a bag and going. I usually run my Stage into an Orange Pedal baby 100 and into a Mesa Lonestar cab. The last 6 months I kept toying with the Idea of getting rid of the Kemper for a Mesa TC50 or something like that but for the second time in two months I was jamming with people and getting compliments on my tone. I guess I have just gotten used to the tones over the years. My main profiles that I tend to play are the Dumble pack from MBritt. Not to plug his stuff but I am just spoiled with great gear and profiles I guess. No real point to this post, just still happy with the Kemper after two years.
Seems like it should be an easy add and a very welcome update.
I am actually trading my power FRFR and going back to using my Mesa cab and Orange PB 100.
There are other great products out there for sure. I myself had the Helix before coming over to the Kemper and loved it. The only reason I got rid of it was I got tired of spending more time tweaking and tone chasing. On the Kemper I never, well rarely, tone chase. I just check the tones out and if I like them down and or load them into a performance. The fact that I can test a profile on the rig exchange is amazing and I think that Kemper is the only ones that let you do the, could be wrong. The only thing I do miss about the old Helix is using it for the 4 cable method with my real amps. If I were to ever let go of my Kemper it would likely be for another tube amp and not for another digital platform.
it would take a BS license from Google. Careful what you wish for.
Not exactly, Android devices will allow for unverified 3rd party app installation. An app writen for Android does not have to go through Google.
Out of curiosity, did you manually check for updates to get this or was it automatically pushed to you? Per the link below, it seems that at least for the moment it's opt in, though that only looks to be true for a few weeks.
I manually went to find the update. I dont believe that the 21h1 update is mandatory yet.
I was not able to replicate this. I just updated after seeing this post and RM was able to start without issue
I have confirmed I am able to run RM with the profiler connected and disconnected
Hey! Did you have a video of your board? I'm interested at a closer look
Not my best video since I did not go over the actual attachment of the plates. For attaching the plates, remove the feet of the kemper. I used 4 large plates, and attach the plates to the board where the Stage will sit. Then just stick the Stage to the plates on the board.
Still I’m quite surprised more people aren’t getting the amp. Is it a COVID thing?
Personally, I already have a couple of high gain amps . Even if I had the money for another amp right now the Badlander is not even on the list. If I were to get a Mesa amp right now it would likely be TC50 or the JP2C. For the money I think Mesa has better offerings.