Posts by mtmartin71

    I'd love to find some direct profiles that are ground up Liquified, but are direct. I prefer to use IRs and right now, I'm favoring the Ownhammer classic rock (4x12 M25) and the live use version of that as that's my primary use case, playing live with the Kemper.

    Matt Fig had a few that I tried. A Friedman modified Plexi and a JCM800. What I found is that the low end was pretty the point I needed to dial it out with an additional EQ and I don't like to do that. I'm talking the Direct profiles. The full profiles were a little better.

    For reference, one of my favorite direct profiles ever is a Tone Junkie 72 Marshall Superlead on Channel 1. The low end feels almost perfect and the gain structure seems tighter. None of that bassy, wooly stuff when the gain is up. I don't know the original settings though to retro it. I still use it though.

    I also like Reampzone's direct profiles and I have retro'd those because he posted his settings for them. I do like the JCM800s OK. The low end is on the lighter side but very usable when turned up a little more than I'd do on the real thing.

    Live Ready Sound has a few direct liquid profiles of a JMP 2203 and a Soldano that are great. The low end is more prominent than the TJ or Reampzone profiles, but very tweakable and useable.

    It's times like these that I feel like I should go back to modeling as I don't have amps to profile the exact sound I want. But, the liquid stuff has helped keep me going with the Kemper because I'm so used to it. Just gets painful trying to fine the right profiles for the exact sound I want.

    That should be the OD100

    Just looking at this again...did you mean the OR100? I didn't see an OD100 but maybe that was an older model?

    FWIW, the OR100 has two channels but one of them is TMB and the other is simply TB which is different than the two channels on the Overdose eq stacks. Both are TMB. Anyway...kind of proves my point. Shouldn't need to guess. They could document it better (I think). ;)

    Curious if there has been any mention on when/if Kemper will add more amps to the Liquid EQ options? I'm interested in the Jubilee and particular. Both pretty popular amps IMO.

    Related...if they do add more, it seems like some kind of profile EQ stack management tree or structure might help navigate the growing list. Not sure what is possible though.

    Lastly...many of the eq stack options are fairly self-explanatory but some are the Orange Overdose 1 & 2. I think those are the channels of the AD30 given there are only bass, middle, treble...but I don't know for sure. Would be nice if the documentation existed to say the name of the amp/amp channel that eq stack represents. I think if you say "based on" in documentation, that's safe from a copyright perspective based on what I see from other companies.

    But it saves per Rig/Performance, opposite to the Monitor out one that is only global

    Yes...right. I guess it's a matter of where do you want to account for volume boost on a solo? If I was using a boost or EQ post amp to push the volume (not the gain if in front), then I could morph that and leave rig volume to account for the two different device output scenarios. Right now though, I'm using a post amp/cab bloick EQ just for a subtle push vs. a full lead with some push on the front end too. I'm doing that type of lead by morphing in a TS style up front and moving the volume up with rig volume.

    The wattage protection algorithm only kicks in, while KEMPER Kone Mode is enabled.

    Make sure to fully crank up the pot at the KEMPER Power Kabinet in order to avoid, that the protection kicks in too early.

    One thing I discovered today that's a slight bummer...the monitor output level doesn't save by Output preset. I'm using the Kemper in one of two ways in terms of the monitor output. Option 1 (vast majority of the time) = a Kemper Kab where I have the Kemper Kab checked and the monitor output level at -8.0db. Option 2 is where I'm connecting to a Fryette Power Station and 2x12 guitar cabinet. In that case, I want Kemper Kab unchecked (which does save in the output preset I set up) and the monitor output level at -4.0db. If I forget this on the back and forth (almost assured), it's not a huge issue though. Just kills some of my headroom/output on the Fryette.

    Ideally, it would be cool if you could drop all the output settings into the performance and have that change when you select a particular performance, but I did read another thread on this and understand that's not doable in this generation of design since the output settings sit at a global level.

    This answers a question that I had. I was running my monitor out at -7.0 db with my Kemper Kab. Occasionally, it would just change on me and get quieter and I had no idea why. Then I'd go into the Kemper and see the volume got dropped back further. Now I know it's an algorithm thing.

    Related, if you turn the Kemper Kone off, then I assume you can set to 0 (if you want) for full throughput? The use case, in that instance, is running into my Fryette Power Station Line In for an amp/cab approach. That's a 50W tube amp. I don't need the full 50w honestly, but if I did want to take advantage of that, seems like I need to set my monitor output closer to 0.0...assuming it will let me keep it there with the Kab unchecked?

    The filters in the cab module will affect the sound of the monitor output signal even if Kone mode is activated and "monitor cab off" is active.

    I guess I don't understand the design decision here for Kab/imprint users. If the Kab speaker imprint is the simulated EQ curve of real speaker, why filter that further with high pass and low pass filters? I don't typically do that with a real amp and cab. I do often filter an IR or FRFR source though and while you can do that with the main output, it's pretty advantageous to be able to change those cutoffs based on the speaker or amp combo. And, why would I want to make that same EQ rolloff choice for FRFR on a Kab that's supposed to be behaving like a real speaker? Why couldn't the per cab HP/LP filter be limited to the main output?

    For those of you who are using the Kab and imprint (via monitor output) to monitor yourself and sending the main output to the board, do you see a reason or need to further roll off the simulated speaker with HP/LP filters?

    For MV amps, there is also the notion of where is the master set. You could have multiple flavors there since there is no way to capture than in the LP process or settings. Then you get an amp like the BE100 with C45, Saturation, etc., etc. or the Soldano which I think has depth? Some of those amps can get complicated so more profiles are welcome. But, in general, I agree with the OP.

    In general, I understand what the OP is getting at. The other factor is being able to get samples going forward. Before, a commercial profiler could give you a couple of snapshots of the amp to entice. Now, you get the LP profile and you'd mostly have the amp. The problem I see despite the more realistic EQ from LPs, profiling is still and art form and craft and people have different methods. I get some profilers where there is too much low end frequency inherent where you can't dial it out without an EQ slot and a lot of teaking. I get some others where there it's inherently thin and nothing beefs it up naturally. And, this is different for live vs recording or playing at home application. In those cases, like with the generic Kemper EQ, if the profiler isn't close to what you want to hear right out of the gate, you're probably not going to get there. It's a bummer and makes me think hard about going back to modeling again. The IR dollar suck that was Fractal became the profile dollar suck that is Kemper. ^^

    I'm a previous customer of the MattFig profiles. Like some of those for sure...pre LP treatment.

    Bought the '71 Modded Super Lead LP pack. Is it just me or are the bass frequencies WAY too heavy? In comparison, I had a 76 Super Lead per Reampzone that I gave the post LP treatment too and the bass is controllable within the amp it should be.

    I'm hesitant to try others if they're all the same i.e. too bass heavy. I'd need to use post EQ shaping to get the low end mud out on the '71 LP pack. Maybe that's a feature of the Friedman mod, but it's not really worth trying to make it work by tying up a slot to EQ out the low end.

    For clarity, this is on the DI profiles both using an Ownhammer IR and the Kemper Kab with Greenback imprint. Bass is too present in both scenarios.

    I'm fine with someone doing new packs that allow us to dial our own amp in, but, could someone explain why you need profiles made at all the different points on the amp if it's liquid? I would expect you'd only need one profile per amp channel.

    Ideal for me is that someone captures one awesome amp at "noon" for everything and gives me a studio and direct version of that. Reampzone kind of did that on a number of their profiles made in the past. He did it that way and also noted his direct profile EQ/Gain settings in a file. I prefer to use the latest OH IRs though so direct is more important to me as I'm using the Kemper Kab or a Power Station + Cab.

    If I were doing studio only to a FRFR wedge again, then TJ's reswizzles would interest me. As it stands, they are less interesting due to the lack of direct profiles.

    Interesting OP. I "want" to make the JCM 800 work for me but I find I much prefer a Super Lead or a modded Marshall sound, like the Friedman BE or JJ sound. I was trying to make some commercial 2203 and 2210 profiles work as the direct versions had all the settings so I could make them into LPs. However, whether it's the CM800 tone stack or the gain taper, anything approaching 7-8 on the gain made it into a wooly mess and nothing sounding like any of the classic sounds of hard rock and metal made with the 800s. Having never really played a real one, is that accurate for how they sound? Is it a case of needing the volume and mid gain to get to a tight and heavy rock sound with them? Not sure.

    Note that I'm only going with the retrofitted profiles I had so I didn't really test a ground up LP yet. Primarily, I was trying it out on Reampzone direct profiles (as he posts his settings) as well as Tim Owens HAWP 27 for the BE100 amp (where he also posted his settings).

    First off, the workflow of retrofitting wasn't super intuitive to me. It goes something like this...
    1. You hit the restore buttons for gain, amp EQ, and amp model. You "hit the button once" but is it all three at the same time or just reset them one at a time? Confusing as to why this is needed.

    2. You then select the tone stack

    3. Set the origin gain pot ref if you know it

    4. This is where it gets more confusing to me. At the point you select the tone stack, it puts the amp EQ knobs at 50%. But, the EQ is still "working" on the new amp model knobs prior to getting the knob values to what the profile was originally made with. So, if you select an amp tone stack model that defaults Bass, Middle, Treble, and Presence all at 5, and your original profile had BMTP settings of 6,7,6,6 (let's say), turning to those settings does audibly change the EQ of the seems...before you burn it in. I would assume the way it should work is that the EQ should have no effect until you set it and burn it? Otherwise, aren't you kind of getting a double EQ thing happening unless the retrofitted profiles were done with all EQ on 5? Maybe I'm not doing something right.

    In terms of sounds, my observations...

    • I found I didn't like the real amp tone stacks and behavior for the vintage Marshalls. I tried a Reampzone 76 JMP (modded though) and a JCM 800 2203. Adding gain there was loose, woofy, and bassy and the amp EQ didn't correct what I wanted to hear for me ears. I think these would need pedals to sound how I liked or just the right guitar to match the original profile better. I don't care for Kemper's pedals as a means to tame and shape that, as people did with the real thing. In this case, score one for the original Kemper EQ
    • I tried MBritt's pack and did find the EQ more useful in his vintage Marshalls, but the gain structure had similar limitations. Again...probably how it's meant to be in real life, and why people use real pedals in front of the amps. The EQ did at least perform better on the MBritt Liquid Profiles.
    • With Tim Owens BE100 HAWP 27, I found the LP eq more useful, but, in comparing direct to the profiles with the old EQ method, the latter had more life and clarity. Maybe I could have got there with more EQing, but just my observation.
    • With the Reampzone JJ100, I found the LP more useful to get to the gain and EQ I wanted in a better fashion. Score one for LP
    • With the Reampzone Soldano 100, same as above. This one was the biggest beneficiary of LP because with everything at 12o'clock on the dials, it was pretty dark and not a great sound. The real amp EQ stack of the SLO100 was much better than trying Kemper EQ or gain. Score another for LP

    So it was a mixed bag for me. I think what I found is for amp profiles done by the profiler where the EQ and gain was very close to what I wanted, Kemper EQ and little to no gain adjustment is the way to go. This was especially true for vintage style amps. For profiles where the original amp EQ is more interactive or useful, and where the profile was done with everything at 5, Liquid Profiling for the gain and EQ makes a big difference to getting what I originally wanted from the profiles and it kind of saves a few of them for me.

    What I'm thinking about is, did the profilers I bought from record their settings and if they published them before, will they provide them? I do know Reampzone does that especially for their direct profiles. I'm super excited to try and get the gain and EQ I want vs. accepting how they profiled it.

    I'm sure USB audio is a great update for many. It's impressive that Kemper can add this to everyone's unit without them having to buy their 4th Kemper to get it. I can't think of another manufacturer that would do this. It's clear Kemper isn't just after your money. How many different AXFX have been released since Kemper arrived? For me, I don't care about this or "liquid profiling". Just give me layout D!

    Layout D? Curious what that is?

    Liquid Profiling, in theory, would be great for me because you could just take your very favorite profile of an amp and more naturally adjust the gain and EQ to different snapshots. I guess the current EQ approach is "OK" but the gain staging and response is definitely not if you're trying to adjust it from breakup to full crunch.

    If you profile your own amps, then liquid profiling isn't much of a enhancement as you can just profile exactly what you need. For those who rely on buying profiles to get our amp sounds though, it's a big deal and time saver for me to get the amp into my Kemper and then reliably work the gain and EQ for all the snapshots I need. That's if it works well. TBD.