Posts by tobi

Hi,
can i connect the two phone jack master outputs of the Kemper (left + right; that should be balanced, symmetrical outputs according to the manual) to my AV receiver RCA left and right inputs by using two TS - RCA cables for each side?
Thanks, Tobi

nice one. thanks

What sounds better?

Are there some samples of the same profile running it with and without cabdriver through an amp or hifi receiver?

viabcroce what you are saying is pretty valuable. i was exactly after that when starting the start.

you're right that sound is not protected by patents. but could this change? nevermind!

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So where does the following come from?

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Because
of this i hope that Christoph or the company - Kemper - will never add a
copy protection to the .kipr profile files in any way.

Yeah this is a little bit of context and it is not too easy to explain for me.... let's say:
i don't dare to think of if that could happen. amp manufactures could maybe sue kemper or the commercial profile makers to pay license fees for copying or using their sound or even not allowing it anymore - if such a law would/could come.
i mean in todays ages it is getting quite "strange" with patents. there is apple sueing samsung for having smartphones with "round corners" (beside other points) like the iphone has. how bad is that? or were big farmer industry companies have patents for seeds to grow potatoes of a specific kind. how bad is that? but let us not go into that any further

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Even suggesting in this thread that commercial rigs should be shared displays a shameless lack of ethics.

if you are talking to me: i did and do not suggest that. i was only asking

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Why shouldn't it be allowed to just copy/share a "commercial" kipr file with the community?".

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I was taught that just because you can doesn't mean you should.

talking about "ethic"....wouldn't this stick to everything then? (mean using the kemper to profile other amps sounds; why buying the KPA and use its profile of "the" amp instead of the getting the real one (amp))

let us stop this thread. (don't answer it) it is too hard to discuss about that in a) a foreign language and b) in written form and c) it is getting too twisted. at least i don't feel comfortable expression myself - people are getting me wrong - this or the other way.

honestly better jump on my other post

Thank you!

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What you write here is rather incorrect. Kempre is not stealing anyone's products.
You can actually steal a Marshall only by entering a store and exit it carrying it with you (provided you did not pay for it). Creating a mechanism able to faithfully reproduce one sonic instance of a rig is not illegal, in the same way as it's not illegal for Yamaha to build a motorbike that makes the same noise as a Harley.

There's a substantial difference between taking a profile of an amp (or creating a patch for a per-component modeller, which is the same) and making a copy of a piece of software: when you make such a copy, you clone the original product in its integrity, and you can use the copy in the exact manner you'd use the original. they are, IOW, undistinguishable from each other.

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Imagine what real amp
manufactures would/could maybe do in the future. They could probably
invent some sort of copy protection for their amps that makes it
impossible to profile it anymore. Something similar happend with the
bluray and the so called "cinavia" protection. (I'm too unfamiliar with
sound engeneering and if this could happen to guitar amps too but i
could imagine this)

Again, you seem to miss the point. if you copy a DVD you create a clone which can substitute the original in its use.

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Good point.

Probably the KPA can not capture the same sound quality form the amp to profile but it would be really close to it - not cloning it.
However using a camcorder in cinema to capture a movie would also not be a "clone" - it does not have the same visual (and sound) quality and you would probably agree that its quality would be way worse than the quality of the KPA to "simulate" the amps sound - but this would still be illegal.

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Because of this i hope that Christoph or the company - Kemper - will never add a copy protection to the .kipr profile files in any way.
Sorry, I miss the logic here.

Mhhh... again, strange logic from a person who has till now
stated how illegal\immoral is to steal someone else's work, don't you
think?

Yeah i know. Don't search for any logic here I was just writing this thread from different perspectives or opinions people are having to ease expressing those thoughts or perspectives.

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Mhhh... I see several possible answers here:

Yes you are right.

Although on this you are wrong:

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I can be wrong, but I believe I know were you come from: you're just
upset at the idea of not being able to "have it all" for free. The idea
that you should pay for having something must make you crazy, mustn't
it?

But, if you think of it, if those profiles did not exist, you'd have nothing to envy.

I have everything what i need - a beer right now - the world is fine - i don't have to own the world. No dictatorship here
What the hell do i want to do with ~2000 profiles? Playing a note switching the profile and play the next note? Or being confused because i have too many profiles in my KPA and really need to have that editor people are requesting for all the time to label them better?
No way i don't need that - i don't need it all.
I even don't need any cleans. My neck pickup or tone control on my guitar are wasted too ... I again totally agree with your last sentence. Thanks for your post

hi,
i don't own a KPA yet. I was reading that the KPA is profiling the cabinet too and that this is one of the reasons that it shouldn't be too good to run the KPA through a real amp's power section and real cabinet again - because it is running the profiled, virtual cabinet through the real cabinet. I also read that you can disable this cabinet simulation.

Anyway, how do you connect or what would be the best way to connect the KPA for playing guitar?

Should i connect it to my AV receiver (and having the cabinet simulation enabled)?
Or should i connect it to my transistor combo amp's power amp (effects return)? Thereby enabling or disabling the cabinet simulation?

What is the best way to get the most similar sound?
(I don't plan to run the KPA through my 5150's power amp and through my 4x12 marshall box

(I'm currently having a line 6 x3 live connected to my combo transistors amps power section by the effects return jack. The amp is a H+K Attax 80. I've set up the x3 as being run through the combo pwr amp - by this it is disabling the cabinet simulation but it sounds not as good, however having it run through the pwr amp with enabled cab simulation by choosing "direct signal" is also not as good.)

Thanks, tobi

BTW: my AV receiver is having Elac speakers - model ELR 65 connected - 42 ··· 22.000 Hz

hi,
i don't own a KPA yet but i will probably buy one soon - not only because my 5150 is too lound for my flat....

What i was wondering about is:
Why are there "commercial" profiles/rigs or rig packs for the KPA? Why isn't anyone sharing its profiles for free like all the rest does?

I think that there should be no "commercial" packs at all - every profile should be "free" - the reason:

The KPA is "stealing the soul of another (real) amp" like i've read. I think this short sentence is describing it quite good. It makes a copy of a real amp's sound (at least tries to do so and is obviously pretty good at it - due to the success of the KPA).
So people that are doing the profile of the real amp do want money to steal someones else's (the real amp manufactures') product? (In some way this is like paying people for cracking software.)

Ok you might say that the person that profiled the real amp put:

• some time and
• effort into it - profiling it
• besides owning the real amp (OR maybe only borrowing it from a friend; or "worse" buying it from a music store, profiling it and sending it back within the 2 weeks period to get his money back - "fernabsatz")

I think that the last point does not really count for paying for it.(Only the company whose amp was profiled might want to have money for "stealing" its product's sound. i.e. by requesting a "licence fee" or something similar - but the probably from Kemper - i hope this above or this below will never come/ happen:)

Imagine what real amp manufactures would/could maybe do in the future. They could probably invent some sort of copy protection for their amps that makes it impossible to profile it anymore. Something similar happend with the bluray and the so called "cinavia" protection. (I'm too unfamiliar with sound engeneering and if this could happen to guitar amps too but i could imagine this)

Because of this i hope that Christoph or the company - Kemper - will never add a copy protection to the .kipr profile files in any way.

Why shouldn't it be allowed to just copy/share a "commercial" kipr file with the community?

(Anyway i'm also wondering why these "commercial" profiles, rigs, rig packs or kipr files are not floating around in the internet. At least it seems to me that no one had uploaded them to shared file hoster; created torrents for it; whatever... but this might be a different story)

What do you think?

Please don't flame on me