Using the KPA as a standalone Speaker Simulator (like Two Notes Torpedo) for traditional setup

tylerhb · Jan 13th 2012

For all KPA owners who still own a traditional amp setup and like to continue using it live, you might like the idea of just using the KPA as a standalone Speaker Simulator. In all that profiling, i was not yet aware of that that really, really great possibility.

Just use your guitar amp and speaker setup as usual. Then connect the effect loop send of your Amp with the return input of the KPA. On the KPA, disable the Amplifier and EQ Sektion, as well as any overdrive or distortion stomps. Then go to any of the stomp slots and select "Loop mono". Now the preamp of your amp is routed before the "Cabinet" section of the KPA. Select any of that great KPA cabs you like. It sounds awesome and will give you a really great and consistent P.A. Signal.

Consider the price you pay for a device like the two notes torpedo. For KPA owners, you get this as a built in addon for free and it sounds even better.

mDan · Jan 13th 2012

Minus power amp though
But I agree... sounds very good. I used my DIY tube preamp like that yesterday.... until I profiled it. Now I don't need it any longer.... I love my KPA ... ever mentioned that?

mikeb · Jun 13th 2012

Bravo! Genius sir. You just solved this problem for some folks.

Animus · Jun 13th 2012

Quote from mDan

Minus power amp though
But I agree... sounds very good. I used my DIY tube preamp like that yesterday.... until I profiled it. Now I don't need it any longer.... I love my KPA ... ever mentioned that?

If you use a attenuator you can get the power amp in there with the line out. Also, MESA amps have Slave Outs which are line outs post-power amp.

Armin · Jun 14th 2012

Yes, I sold the VB101 soon after I got the KPA - works fine - great way to find the best sounding settings and then profile the complete thing

sorefingers · Jun 14th 2012

Wow, this is a great idea. Really expands the options and possibilities.

You guys have got to ease off on the new things that can be done with the KPA. I've got to eat, bathe, and go outside sometime.

tylerhb · Jun 14th 2012

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u use a attenuator you can get the power amp in there with the line out. Also, MESA amps have Slave Outs which are line outs post-power amp.

Even more simple and affordable, just pust a Di Box like the Behringer GI-100 between your amp and your cab. Then feed the Di Signal into the return of the KPA. This will get you the power amp sound and it costs only 32€.

http://www.thomann.de/de/behringer_gi100_ultra-g.htm

Animus · Jun 14th 2012

Quote from tylerhb

Even more simple and affordable, just pust a Di Box like the Behringer GI-100 between your amp and your cab. Then feed the Di Signal into the return of the KPA. This will get you the power amp sound and it costs only 32€.

http://www.thomann.de/de/behringer_gi100_ultra-g.htm

You will still need a speaker load/attenuator unless you want hear your real cab at the same time as the Kemper, Doesn't look like that Behringer has any load bearing capabilities, and even if it does I don't know if I would trust my amp with a 30 dollar box with "Behringer" on it it.

tylerhb · Jun 14th 2012

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You will still need a speaker load/attenuator unless you want hear your real cab at the same time as the Kemper, Doesn't look like that Behringer has any load bearing capabilities, and even if it does I don't know if I would trust my amp with a 30 dollar box with "Behringer" on it it.

Yes, but why would you use a real amp live without a cab? For FRFR or InEAR you would use the KPA, wouldnt you? Btw, those Berhringer Di Boxes are really nice, i have 8 of them running in my studio and never had any problem with them.

Animus · Jun 14th 2012

Quote from tylerhb

Yes, but why would you use a real amp live without a cab? For FRFR or InEAR you would use the KPA, wouldnt you? Btw, those Berhringer Di Boxes are really nice, i have 8 of them running in my studio and never had any problem with them.

oh gotcha, I thought you were discussing replacing the cabs of real amps with the Kemper cabs for sole reason.

I am sure the Behringer is nice. I had some bad experience with their audio stuff but still use the BCF2000 as a midi CC controller.

xykhron · Jun 16th 2012

Thanks for the info!

Elantric · Jun 19th 2012

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just put a Di Box like the Behringer GI-100 between your amp and your cab.

I have used and love the sound of the Behringer GI-100's Cab Sim - but got tired of the hissss

Instead I recommend use a Palmer PDI09 instead.
http://www.palmergear.com/pdi09.shtml
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Much better results and much better S/N ratio

Froschn · Jun 19th 2012

People always get informed everywhere it wouldn't be that easy to mic an amp right.
But that's not true. It sounds crappy as long as you don't care about it, take a cheap mic and put in front of the cab without a plan. But there are really goods mics out there and with some tries you'll find a good position for it. You just need to start to care about it.

Elantric · Jun 19th 2012

True - I prefer miking cabs - but many times thats not possible

So I will use the Palmer PDI-09 feeding a Weber Mass Lite 100 (as a dummy load) - for silent KPA Amp profiling

https://taweber.powweb.com/weber/masslite.htm

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