Yes I did, but I disagree because of the aforementioned reasons.
You disagree with the reality that it will be **closer** than a digital solution sending a different amp and cab profile to FOH than a single tube amp sending the same amp/speaker combination all night?
Ok well...whatever floats your boat I guess
This becomes untrue the moment the FOH guy pulls up your channel in the mix.
With a miked-up amp you're never going to hear on stage what the audience hears over FOH.
Did you not notice that I said **closer** than a digital solution?
With a real tube amp, which has consistent characteristics going out to FOH all night long, you can absolutely be sure that what you’re hearing on stage is **closer** to what the audience is hearing. Not exact of course, but reasonably close.
This is not the case if you are using a Kemper through a traditional guitar cab, but sending studio profiles of different amps, with different cab emulations, out to FOH. It will still sound good to the audience, but it will be much less consistent and you will have less of an idea of what they’re hearing.
And that’s why people use FRFR speakers, to get **closer** to what is happening out front. Unfortunately my experiments with that setup leave me wanting, and I’m unwilling at this point to keep throwing money at the problem.
I’ve owned a KPA since day one, and have owned a second for the last 5 years so I could do stereo amping. The easiest way I can say it is this - after having the Quad Cortex for 2 weeks, I’ve sold both my Kempers. The KPA was a game changer. But, it is not an amp, it is technology. Technology doesn’t age well, and isn’t built to. Technology evolves and improves, and the QC is the latest evolution. I will always respect Kemper for being the trailblazers they are. I don’t say this to start any inflammatory discussions, but I did not find any area in which the KPA did as well as the QC, with the ONE exception of the QC having fewer effects at this point. But I lived through the development of the KPA effects arsenal, so I know that it takes time. From form to function, feature set, design, sound, feel, build, and convenience, the QC takes it. Neural is the new king on the block for me. Anyone who is the least bit interested in guitar processing technology should try one for themselves.
I’m curious to hear your opinion of the amp modeling.
I’ve seen plenty of examples of the capture technology and from most accounts it is on par with the KPA. But part of the reason I have a QC coming is because it also has modeling.
I have never owned a hardware modeler like a Helix or an Axe. Can you compare the QC models to either one of those?
Something I just do not understand people asking for a new kemper.
Everybody has different needs. That’s all there is to understand, really.
I don’t need my Kemper to sound better. I think it sounds great, for the most part. What I do need is a smaller form factor with a more modern UI.
I think Kemper missed the mark on the Kemper Stage in relation to my needs. But of course that’s only my opinion and nobody should be upset by it. It’s a great unit I’m sure.
Had they made it smaller, with a more modern interface, I would probably have purchased one.
But I have a feeling that given the direct competition from the QC (the only real competition they’ve ever had) they will be bringing something to the market at some point in the not-too-distant future that will be amazing.
Display MoreI posted clips. Decide for yourself:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/41u…5L2gFGX-IRoA8huIN1ba?dl=0
6 clips there.
3 are the real amp.
1 is the Quad Cortex.
The other two are the Kemper - refined, and not refined.
Nice to see an *actual* blind test. I wonder how people here would choose?
I don't play with these kinds of tones, ever, so it's very difficult for me to decide which one(s) I think sound best. They are all so similar to me, not being a metal guy, that honestly I can't tell what's what. I can hear differences between them but that's about it. I cannot judge them.
Thanks for putting this out there.
Here again - an FRFR will not provide an amp-in-the-room sound. It can't.
This complaint (not a bad thing - it's true) is precisely why the Kone speaker was developed.
I understand this.
The biggest hurdle with digital amps is knowing what you sound like out front. I have played my Kemper with a traditional guitar cab and I love it. I suppose I could mic the cab live, but at that point it would be easier to bring a small combo as the cabinet just makes all profiles sound similar. Not exactly the same, but similar enough.
I could use a guitar cab on stage, and send the direct signal from the KPA to FOH (studio profile) but then I don’t know what the audience is hearing (I understand that I can never fully know, regardless of what kind of amplification I use, but with non digital/direct solutions I have a better idea)
I have not considered the Kemper Kab so I haven’t really looked into it. Can I send the direct signal from the Kab to FOH, thus ensuring I have a decent idea of what the audience hears? In other words, will the KPA “imprints” (or whatever they’re called) be sent to FOH and how can I be sure they sound the same through the PA as they do coming out of the Kemper Kab?
I have found my Kemper to be an excellent solution for recording at home.
I have used it on countless wedding gigs and have found it to be just ok. Good enough for wedding gigs. I use an FRFR and it's also just OK. I don't love it.
I do not like the Kemper in a live situation enough to use it for my original bands. For those I still use my Fender.
But for recording, digital amps are the way to go for me.
Display MoreOk peace y'all !!!
we all have opinions and that's totally fine ... but you 2 need to discuss further in private messages or both of you'll get banned lol
chill
Raf
Agreed.
I'm done with him and have him blocked. I don't see his posts anymore.
I have just discovered the block user function. Maybe that will keep me from responding to the troll.
To the entire KPA community in this thread:
I am sincerely not trying to troll anyone. I am not trying to upset you. I have no brand loyalty or commitment to any product.
You can take me at my word and I wish you would, because I mean what I say.
calaban comes in and insults everyone here because he’s in love with said product hoping he will get a reaction or make everyone mad
This is untrue, and ironic because that's exactly what you're doing with this post.
Your goal is to upset me. It's not working, but I'm not going to hesitate to call you out on it.
I'm really curious how your initial comment will be after a/b test ... My guess is that QC already won this battle in advance ...
I want to address this ^^^
The QC has won already in the UI department.
The rest is up in the air, and I will not hesitate to say which device sounds better to me, if any.
Now allow me to make a prediction:
If, after I compare the QC and the KPA, I come to the conclusion that the KPA sounds better, you guys will all say "The KPA is still the champ! All hail the KPA!"
If I say the QC sounds better it will be more of the same old "You're just a fan boy! Boo! Hiss!"
I would love to be proven wrong here.
Display Moreimho, there's only one fanboy here, a QC fanboy without even owning it for the moment ... You say we can't seem to stand there's a new kid on the block ... untrue !
Ok I confess i'm a fanboy and love my kemper (as well as my Helix LT )
I'm really curious how your initial comment will be after a/b test ... My guess is that QC already won this battle in advance ...
Raf
ps : I do like the form factor and UI from the QC a lot and wouldn't mind owning one myself as well
I love my Kemper as well. I have been posting here for 7 years and have not ever been called a troll, nor have I ever engaged in trolling.
But now, as I give my sincere thoughts about the state of the KPA and the release of the QC, as well as the reaction of (some members) of the Kemper community to the QC...all of a sudden I'm the world's biggest troll and a fanboy of the QC?
That's an unbalanced view. Not accurate.
I have never said you guys "can't stand that there's a new kid on the block"
I have a beef with only one troll user here on these forums. Everyone else is fine.
Not ironic at all. I insulted a product, you continue to insult a group of people. Huge difference.
And yes you come off as a butthurt fanboy of an unproven, unreleased product that you don’t even own.
I'm not insulting anyone.
You're calling me butthurt.
As I said, ironic.
Thanks for the confirmation.
It's better not to feed the trolls.
Ironic
Display MoreCome on man, just have your opinions and share them but that doesn't have to extend to you picking apart others' comments in a rude way.
I think tons of comments you post are hilarious and ridiculous and i'm literally on the floor laughing sometimes at the absurdity. But do I go and pick apart all you say? No, I don't. Do I put it out there that I have so little respect for your opinion that I'd go as far as saying "this post is funny to me"? Nah, I don't cos that's rude as hell and I was raised better than to be insulting when it wasn't warranted. You know, there are ways to get your point across without being rude and without insults. Unfortunately, i'm past the point of being nice when you start being insulting.
Did I claim to do any testing of my own or make any claims that you're being petty about?? No. I commented on the outcome the people in the video came to for their blind test. Did I need to be there to see that in a blind test all of them preferred the KPA when no bias or anything like that was involved? No. I didn't claim that I was involved and came to the same conclusion first hand. I commented about how the outcome was cool to see and how it's interesting how the preferred unit to the guys in the vid all were the same when no bias or hype or any of that is part of the equation.
It's pretty hard to deny results of something like a blind test and for some reason, the KPA does well in blind tests. That has nothing to do with me and I have no control over that, it just is what it is.
Somehow you equate the obvious outcome of the video in that particular situation, to something that's debatable or something and it comes down to the fact that the guys in the vid preferred one unit's tones over the other every time and there's not a way I can make a false claim about that lol. It is what it is. Don't be mad at me man, I'm not the one in the vid who didn't pick the QC in a blind shootout. Yeah, the results for me or you might be different and we might prefer different things. But my comment was about the video. And commenting on the outcome in the vid doesn't mean i'm "exhibiting my personal bias" or "laying it on others". Commenting on a situations outcome doesn't mean i'm pushing my opinion on people lol and idk how you got that from my post.
It's crazy how just because some people still like their Kemper, and aren't running to sell their gear to buy the QC and jump on the hype train, you assume they're Kemper fanatics and its ridiculous. If people don't support your attempts to insist the QC will be better, you treat them like an enemy that you need to be hostile towards. It's totally possible to be supportive of both things and assuming someone is totally against you just because they make a comment about the obvious outcome of a video, doesn't mean they're bashing the unit you're all about in an obsessive way lol. Just because some people are realistic and see it as another tool that's capable of the same type of tones as everything else currently, and don't think it's "next level", doesn't mean they're fanatics lol. When anyone has any mild criticisms of the QC, you instantly have to jump to discredit them and be insulting in order to defend the QC and that's being more of a fanatic if you ask me.
Keep in mind, others not preferring the QC doesn't make it bad and won't affect your experience with it. You're being defensive as if it's gonna all the sudden be terrible just because everyone isn't selling their current gear for it and because it isn't marginally better than anything that's currently available. It seems to be able to do just fine, like any other current gear. It just doesn't seem miles better than everything else like the hype and advertisement claims were, so i've been looking at the unit realistically and have been making observations based on my own interest in it. And that somehow makes me a fanatic? Come on man. Literally, all you gotta do is not be petty and not hop to pick apart what people say and you aren't gonna spark up anymore unpleasant replies like this for yourself lol.
Whenever you hop in the comments and you start to pick apart people's posts, it starts to get unpleasant and people get nasty to each other. For some reason you seem to need to step on others' opinions to make your point. There's really not a reason to be insulting when making a point unless you're just being unpleasant in an obvious way and I honestly would prefer it never got to this point but, when it does you gotta expect people to defend themselves. There's a way to communicate with people without the insults and without being immediately offensive lol.
I really didn't want to come back like this but honestly, this isn't the first time you pick apart people's posts in a uncool way and stir the pot on this forum and it really isn't necessary to be part of the conversation. We're not all trying to bash the QC just because we're making observations and comparisons to other top gear. And no one here is against you in the way you seem to think. There's really no need for the insults and backhanded comments and stuff. We can all communicate without that stuff and we all can critique things without it meaning hatred for that product lol
There was no insults, or backhanded comments.
Just my observations. I’m sorry you’re so upset by them.
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Did you watch the video, or at least the ending when the results are tallied? There were two different score categories. One was for tone. However, the other was for feel. The KPA won, unanimously, in both metrics. A 3rd-party listener doesn't have to be able to discern between tones. The testers, who are all gigging guitarists, unanimously scored the KPA the winner in terms of dynamics/feel in this non-biased, blind A/B test.
I can’t sit through a video that long with tones I dislike.
From what I’ve read about this video, the “blind test” wasn’t so blind. The guys doing the A/B at the end were the same guys that made the profiles/captures. Lol. Terrible protocol.
Really should have been a double blind test.
You Kemper super fans are a riot lol.
There is no way to tell diddly squat from two amps with the gain on 1 Billion.
Those sounds, regardless of where they come from, are completely lacking in dynamics.
the Kemper not only holds its own, but still remains the best of the best! And it's pretty sick that it's undefeated when it comes to blind shootouts! lol
It's crazy how much hype and personal bias can cloud peoples' perceptions of things, until it comes down to a blind test or something of that sort.
This post is funny to me, as it seems you are exhibiting the personal bias that you are laying on others.
I mean, you have not done your own comparison between the QC and the KPA have you? It seems you are just accepting others opinions through a youtube video.
I have a Kemper and a QC on the way. I remain open minded and fully expect that each device will have its strengths and weaknesses.
There is absolutely zero possibility of making an accurate assessment for my needs until I have a chance to directly compare them myself.
I don't understand why you would pre-blend and it removes flex at mix down, especially these days with almost limitless tracks, seems so counter intuitive.
There is a lot to be said for committing to a sound while tracking.
That's the way they had to do it in the old days, and some of the greatest tones in history (guitar or otherwise) were created.
