Posts by urbanvictim

Quote from Allenhuish

Hi there,

I would like to start a thread that is limited to *only* what hardware has been found to work or should work to allow wireless to be added to our legacy devices.

I did a video with an explanation...

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If you don't want to read the whole thread here are some devices that work:

Vogels/Vonet wifi access point Amazon UK - https://amzn.to/3dmKNFU

Amazon US - https://amzn.to/36aq04t

TP-Link Switch with Power

Amazon UK - https://amzn.to/36aqpnv

Amazon US - https://amzn.to/3h1QuLI

Power adapter to use one cable for kemper and router

Amazon UK - https://amzn.to/3qsyTj4

The manual is not 100% clear so I will try to summarise my findings so far and what I have seen on this forum. I will also attempt to make it as simple as possible for those of us who are not that technically minded.

The Kemper needs to be connected to a device called a 'router' which is wifi enabled. This wifi router also needs to be able to function as an 'access point' if you want to run it stand-alone (at a gig) without another network (e.g. your home wifi network). As the manual says, this router needs to be connected via the ethernet socket on the back of the kemper. (easily bought on amazon, but see below)

The remote also needs to be connected to that socket so you have to connect the wire from the remote to a socket on the router. However, (and this is important), the remote needs to be powered. It receives its power from the kemper through the ethernet socket normally so you have to find a way to add power to the cable that goes to the remote. This can be done via a POE (power over ethernet) injector (easily bought on amazon).

So, if you do it like this you will have 2 boxes (one router and one poe injector) which both need a power supply plugged in somewhere. You will then need a short cable to go from kemper to router, then another cable from router to poe injector and then a long cable from poe injector to the remote.

If you are like me then you will want to reduce the number of cables and power supplies that you have to lug around and this is where it gets interesting.

There are such things as routers that are powered by POE, so that has the potential to lose one power supply (because the router doesn't need a power supply if it's powered from the kemper from the ethernet cable). Many of these routers are designed for home networking where things are wired into small spaces so they are probably small enough to go in the back of the kemper.

There are also routers which will do POE 'pass through'. In other words it will take the power coming in from the kemper and then pass it on to the cable going out to the remote. The first issue is that the router needs 2 ethernet sockets. Many small wifi routers powered by POE do not, but a small number do.

However, then we get into the issues of how much power and how is it delivered. In this case, there are multiple standards of how this is done (802.3af, etc.) and I have not seen confirmation from kemper on what standard we need to follow (it says 'mode a' in the manual, but this is not quite enough information I believe). Supported are IEEE standard 802.3af-2003 as well as 802.3at-2009 mode A. There is also a lack of documentation from router companies about the detail of what they need coming and out of their power supplies.

In a perfect world, we could find a device which will be powered over POE and will pass-through POE to the remote. If this was the case, then legacy owners could buy one box, with no power supply and tuck it into the back of the kemper and have it all in one with no additional power supplies etc.

So coming back to the point of this thread. Please post the products (preferably with a web link) that you have found that we can try or research to be able to achieve this goal. I will shortly add some that I have found. Please don't clutter up the thread with comments such as 'I'm confused' or 'why not android' etc. those comments can go in plenty of other threads.

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Nice work Allen, that's really awesome stuff and very helpful. Is the wireless access point mandatory or could you just hook the switch up to the home network and therefore existing wifi with an ethernet cable?

Quote from MuddySludge

Run the guitar into the stereo pedal and split to the amp input and the Kemper input.

this is a good suggestion which I will think about. I only have one cab (the kemper cab) but might be able to get mileage out of outputting the amp as line out to main speakers

Quote from Wheresthedug

OK. I don't have a Stage so only have one Loop rather than the two you have. In general terms I don't think it will matter whether use Loop 1 or 2 to connect as you can place either of them anywhere in the signal chain on a rig by rig basis.

Nice one thank you. Would you use the loop mono or loop distortion option in the loop?

Quote from MuddySludge

Split your guitar signal and run both rigs. A stereo chorus pedal works great, just leave the FX off.

but split it where? Before going into the Kemper, at send 1, send 2 or post main output?

Quote from Wheresthedug

I’m not suggesting NOT using your actual amp but rather saying that trying to hook everything up in a single system is more hassle than its worth. When I want to use a real amp I use it. When I want to use a profile I use it. But trying to set everything up as a single permanently wired solution is often more trouble than just unplugging a few cables when require.

this is good advice and probably where I will get to eventually. Doing so earlier would have certainly saved me at least many tens of hours messing around with preserving tone and isolating noise etc over the last few years. However for right now I have everything pretty much installed and just need to connect the amp into signal path so will be simpler to identify where to insert it rather than tearing it all down and starting from scratch. I have a kemper kabinet and signal tapped off to an interface for DI so it’s important I preserve some of the setup. The question also will eventually become how do I integrate my different amps when I want to use them as I will likely at some point want to take a DI and record and even if a temporary setup that question will still come up. This is why I am trying to understand if it’s more appropriate to plumb an amp into send 1 or send 2 and whether to use the distortion or loop option.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense once I have got to the point where I have settled on particular tones and want to perform, but in the meantime why would I not use my actual amp if I have it? Particularly if I can switch it in and out easily by using the loop module button on the Kemper.

Thanks for the comments. I don’t really play live at the moment and it’s more an experimentation and recording rig. The tube amp is because I want that particular sound for the most part but with the ability to bypass it and use one of several other software and hardware preamp and cab combinations that I have including those in the Kemper.

I heard back from Kemper who confirmed the returns are balanced to that answers my FX rack question but still not sure whether external amps would be better inserted into the send 1 or send 2 chain from the Kemper and whether to use the distortion or loop mono setting etc

Hi

I have a Kemper stage and currently designing external equipment signal flow, but not sure which loops to use and in which configuration and hoping someone can help me. Put simply I have a pedal board, a tube amp and a some hardware FX in a rack (EVENTIDE H3000, Lexicon MPX 1)

My thinking is it would be best to take the Kemper send 1 output to the pedal board and then the output of that to my tube amp and then take the tube amp send to return 1 on the kemper in loop mono mode as the first stage. Then for wet FX connecting the Kemper send 2 to the input of the external rack and then taking the balanced output of the FX rack back to the Kemper return 3/4 in stereo loop mode? Not sure if I would need to do some sort of conversion, or amplify the fx output separately or whether the Kemper FX Returns would happily accept the balanced signal etc.

Thanks in advance anyone who can help shine some light on this

Steve

+1 for metronome. A ubiquitous musician tool for hundreds of years and not complicated to implement. Don’t understand a lot of the arguments against it in this thread, most are not even logically consistent.

Thanks for continuing to respond, appreciated. I may not have articulated the issue as well as I could have. Let me simplify:

1. I am using an output set to DLY/REV to get only the FX isolated

2. I used an external FX loop for delay and reverb etc

3. When using internal FX on one of the last 2 modules I can hear them through the DLY/REV out as expected and can switch between then fine

4. However if I set my external FX loop in either of the last 2 modules, it only comes through the DLY/REV output when the other is enabled and has an effect in it

5. The only way I have found to work around this is to turn the routing in rig settings to somewhere around 50%, but this means dry signal bleeding into the DLY/REV output at all times even when the modules are off

Conclusion: Why is it not possible to use an external loop in one of the last 2 modules and also hear it through the DLY/REV out without having the other module also populated with an internal effect?

Quote from BayouTexan

I had found one on Amazon that has some good reviews since I might get one too.

I think this will work...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/prod…smid=A2AA4XI82SDV30&psc=1

Update us please and let us know what you got.

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This is the one I have I think (x2) Works fine

I would expect that when enabling either or both FX modules that these would come through the DLY/WET output as they do from a Master Stereo output and that the routing set to zero would essentially do nothing (instead of muting both through the DLY/WET output as it does)

Quote from Burkhard

This is what the manual says:

DLY/REV Wet

Only the wet stereo effect signal of the delay and reverb located in the modules DLY and REV are sent to the output. If no delay or reverb is active, the output will remain silent. only available for stereo outputs

And this refers to internal delay and reverb effects, no external gear. The PROFILER cannot split a delay or reverb genereted by extrnal gear into wet and dry signals.

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Thanks for the reply, but my problem is literally that this does not happen as expected. I upgraded from V7 to V8 software and I can now get something from the DLY/REV outputs, but only if I go into rig routing and turn the dial clockwise, but I get both together or one, but nothing if I turn left. Seems like a bug which has been partially fixed in latest update but not completely.

Yes there are a few things which have worked for me:

1. A good power conditioner, such as one from Furman with proper noise reduction features (IE mid to high end ones)

2. "Plug in mains conditioner" from Tacima (see amazon) They also do a 6 way extension but that didn't have as much effect as the other two items I mentioned but is much cheaper and has multiple uses.

3. You can also try turning off everything in your house and turning them back on one by one to see if you can narrow down the source

Quote from vjelen

Please contact Kemper support with your request re factory reset. They will send you precise procedure how to do it. What is written above in this thread is just cleaning procedure not deep factory reset. I know the correct procedure which is slightly different for Stage and rest of product portfolio but I think support guys want to have control about this so I am not going to disclose it.

Thank you Vjelen for the reply, that is a relief to know. I have already raised that support request along with another question so fingers crossed

Hi guys

If anyone can help me with this I would massively appreciate it as driving me absolutely bonkers.

Essentially I have 2 working external FX loops which I can hear fine through any output set to anything other than DEL/REV. However if I set an output to "DEL/REV" to get only the FX output in isolation, I hear nothing. This is when either the DEL or REV modules have an external FX loop assigned (any type, lower or upper) and the routing option in RIG settings doesn't help.

The FX do come through the DEL/REV outputs when the last 2 modules are set to internal FX, just not the external FX loops. The manual suggests this should work but have tried everything I can think of and no joy so far

Anyone had experience with this or able to replicate the problem? If nothing else to put me out my misery

Thanks in advance

Steve

I needed to use a coaxial to optical adapter run into another coaxial optical adapter (in reverse) and then connect to the apollo to get a clean signal

I had success on this with the following steps:

1. Test the mains outlet by plugging equipment in elsewhere and make sure no equipment connected together if plugged into seperate outlets or double/triple plugs. Or use a mains noise tester to see if issues in the house (for me my aircon created massive noise on the lines when on)

2. Use only a few very short leads you know work to rule out cabling

3. Try disconnecting all other connections (for me there was a ground loop from the connected SPDIF output)

4. Try the ground lift options in output settings to see if that helps or changes anything

Also worth mentioning that I tried the reset procedure above and it didn't work, all my locked preferences on modules and routing are still there. Hence not being able to restore everything to full factory settings makes troubleshooting issues really difficult. In my case the delay module doesn't route externally and very hard to narrow down where the problem is without being able to reset everything to default. Very odd as the norm on every other bit of digital equipment I have ever owned.

There really should be a shortcut factory reset or option in Rig Manager for this. My Kemper Stage has **** the bed a couple of times and needed to be reset. Might well have been user error both times, but useful option regardless even just for troubleshooting.