help me find a tone

    Hello,


    Can anyone help me match a tone. I'm getting frustrated after trying so many profiles...


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    From what I read the sound comes from a parallel set up with a soldano sl60 and a Sunn reissue T. The transition from cleans to that crunch/fuzz is done through a volume pedal. no effect pedals are used.


    I heard some sound clips and the two amps sound very similar. so I guess this set up is to get a bigger live sound maybe.


    I'm new to guitar, I don't get all the technical terms to describe a tone. what I hear though is that it has a lot of low end, yet when he picks hard higher notes seem like "honking". it's a bit confusing to explain. but when I match the low end treble seems dull compared to his sound. and if I match the highs it sounds thin, especially with distorted sound, all the fuzz is lost.


    here's another example where you can hear in the intro riff that contrast between low end and high end


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    I tried every free soldano profile out there. Bought TAF pack 10 and some single amps (forgot to enter the code for the 50% discount :cursing: ), Mbritt pack 3, some amps from guidorist and sounside that sounded close on their demos, and still no success.


    I would love to hear your insight about it. how would you describe that tone, any eq settings that come in mind? is there some compression or is it coming all from the amp? any profiles you remember that sounded similar?


    Thanks in advance!

    An epiphone es 335 dot. changed the nut to a tusq model. all electronics swapped for a 50s wiring, and a seymour duncan vintage blues set (59' neck and bridge) which are the closest in specs I found to LB-1 pickups used in guild starfire IV.


    Guitar is tuned to drop C, Strings are D'addario EXL117 to which I change G string for a 24w string.


    umm, pick is .73mm dunlop primetone


    Please don't tell me I need to change guitar I'm left handed and it's hell finding one... ||

    The strings definitely sound like flatwounds to me, very warm. They could be rounds, but they sound very dead if they are. I played in a Stones cover band with a guitarist who had an awesome vintage tone. When I picked up his guitar, I noticed how corroded his strings were. I asked him how often he changed strings and he replied "when they break". I also lent him a guitar for a gig once and he returned it with the strings totally shot. He put 3 months of age on my strings in 3 hours. He had some especially corrosive chemistry in his sweat. Dead strings seemed to be his secret in nailing the early rock tone.


    As far as the overdrive in those tracks, it sounds very solid-state to me. Probably a lot of it comes from a pedal. It reminds me of overdriving a solid state amp that wasn't meant to be overdriven or designed to sound like a tube amp. Credence is a great example of that sound.

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    something like that?


    D'Addario ECG25 Chromes Flat Wound Electric Guitar Strings, Light, 12-52


    I think I already tried some chrome strings, something used for jazz, but it sounded dark, I also was using only a pod hd... I will give it a shot, thanks!


    about his rig I read this on one interview :


    "Most of our stuff is quite new. I mostly play a Guild Starfire IV which I got new 4 years ago, sometimes I play also a '78 or '89 Stratocaster (of the last one I'm also the first owner). I'd prefer to buy new guitars, so I can put my own vibes in the thing. I don't play any effect or distortion pedals (despite of occasional Wah-Wah) and just change the sound with the use of a volume-pedal so I'm very dependend on Amps which have a good distorted sound on their own and also get a beautiful clean tone when played at low volumes - old amps are mostly built to stay clean up to ear-splitting levels, so my amps are modern types too.... Live I mostly use a Soldano SL 60 and Sunn Model T reissue, each with two Fender GE 412 speaker-cabinets and in case the set-up mentioned before for vocals. I recently bought a very rare and complicated Fender 400 PS of the early 70s, maybe the most powerful instrument tube-amp of all time : ) and an old Sunn "Studio P.A." head from the late 60s. Both amps are in restauration now, which will cost me a fortune, but the amps themselves were really cheap : ) "

    Yeah, the Chromes are flats. Well, it looks like his Overdrive is all tube, which surprises me a little. His tone isn't what a lot of modern players are going for, so that might me why you are having trouble finding a profile. It's more warm and fuzzy than the modern bright aggressive tone. I listened to a couple SL60 clips and they were quite different than these clips you posted. I guess it comes down to the tweaking and recording. If he is using a passive volume pedal (unbuffered) then it will warm up the sound a bit from loading, like turning down the volume pot on the guitar. I'd say for $12, you might want to try the flats again. Many flatwound players also prefer Pyramid brand over D'Addario too.


    Also try rolling your tone knob on the guitar down a bit on the guitar. This is a little like Clapton's "Woman Tone", which had the tone rolled down. Remove bass and add treble and mid on the amp to keep it feom getting too muddy.

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    I know it's an ernie ball stereo volume pedal, but I don't know which one.


    I use the pod hd500x as a volume / effects pedal. its global eq is left flat


    A set of strings is on its way. thanks for the tip!

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    I have pyramid flat .012's on a 64 es-330. I'll try it tonite.
    like previous post, I'd try the woman tone, both pups w tone rolled off on one .

    if I got it right, pick up selector on both, and I roll off one tone pot... doesn't matter each one? or should I experiment with both?

    Pyramids are nickel, which really helps.
    Try B Buckles search on Rig Exchange. I found one called SLO GreenCut that's gets me in thew ballpark w my 330. I've rolled back the gain and rolled off my git vol, then as the intensity kicks in just bring up the git vol. No FX . just adjust the profile gain and use your git vol and tone pots to dial it in.
    I'm getting good results w that patch and just my neck p.u. too.
    Do you think he;s tuned down to C ?

    @old crow : I found the profile, but even with definition @10 there is still not enough bass...


    @waraba : Holy sh*t man! I owe you a million beers for these profiles :thumbup:
    I tried the first profile : concertoarama cranked (VR1); I played along one of their songs, and it is exactly the same voicing. I feel like I'm at 90% close. it's even better if I play the clean parts with a clean profile of this amp, and the distorded parts with one of the cranked profiles.


    Respect sir, that's exactly what I wanted, an experience share, I would have never thought about even trying a profile called meazzi concertorama
    (honestly I first thought meazzi was a hint to a mesa boogie ^^)


    I need to get the reference manual and really understand what all these tweaking knobs do to get the tone spot on. I'm getting closer. let's see what the flatwound strings will add to the mix


    By the way any tips about the pickup set up, anything that comes in mind to do with pickup / poles height that would help the bass sound more deep and tamed, and the highs snappier


    Ah the rush! :D

    Yeah, the Forgotten Amps profiles are awesome. They are some of the 200 profiles I keep loaded in my KPA. I just...err..."forgot" about them. :D Glad they are working out. I hope the flatwounds will help close the last 10% gap. I think they will particularly help get the "thunk" on some of the cleaner passages. Some of the early guitar runs sound very similar to my '65 Hofner bass (pyramid flats) until he starts climbing higher.

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    little update : I changed all the electronics on my guitar. cts 525k pots, .33uf caps, and guild lb-1 pickups(checked 6 months ago and they were not on sale on their website). I was meticulous with the soldering, and as a result I got rid of a hum which was always present on my guitar.


    pickups are not wax potted. I can hear now the pick "clicking" each time I hit a string, always wondered how he does that. the bridge sounds better than seymour's too.


    I also got rotosound 12-52 flatwound and I'm in love with them. they're smooth which makes slides and bends much easier. And yes the tone on these strings is closer to what I'm looking for. thanks a lot 'Klappy' for the suggestion


    I'm looking now at the pickup heights. I'm sure their setup will influence the tone, just need to understand how and why.


    thanks for everyone who pointed me to check my guitar, I never thought it would have that much of effect on tone.