Direct output clipping, input Level

    Hi, I want to use the kemper with the possibility to re-amp in every guitar or bass takes i will record.



    Is it possible to adjust the direct output level cause when i play hard my guitar, the dry take clips and when i re-amp with the same the only difference is when it's clip :(


    Another question, is it possible to change the input level, I tried to use the "clean sense, Distortion sense" but it seems to change the sound and not only level (i'm right ?)
    By the way, what is the default setting for that ? and what mean Input 54, input es ?

    you can't adjust the direct out level, should be the same as the signal coming in...are the red light flashing on the input? if so, adjust the clean sense, it should NOT change the tone

    MisterC,


    Proper gain staging is key. I'm not sure I have a clear enough picture of how you're doing it, but I'll tell you how I've been doing it for years.


    1) Generate a test tone of known level. For this I use a 1kHz@-10dBFS sinewave generated in Sound Forge. Save this file out and import it back into your DAW.
    2) Reamp the very simplest case: DAW line out -> Reamp box -> DAW instrument in. Loop the signal in your DAW and adjust the instrument-level output trim on your Reamp box so that your DAW's instrument input reads -10dBFS.


    Your basic reamp loop is now properly gain-staged; any DI signal recorded to your DAW henceforth will reamp out at the exact same level. This is your starting point.


    3) Now connect your Reamp's instrument level out to the instrument level input of your guitar amp, and connect the output of your guitar amp to your DAW however you prefer.
    4) Generate some pink noise @ -10dBFS similar to step 1, and reamp this loop through your guitar amp.
    5) Adjust your guitar amp's output levels and/or mic trims until the signal being received from your guitar amp is also -10dBFS.


    Your guitar amplifier is now properly gain-staged for reamping, and will generate consistent results from session to session.


    -djh

    Thanks, that's a complete answer, difficult to understand with my english level ! :)



    For the re-amping, for the moment, i just want to use the kemper.
    I will try the clean sense tomorrow but i thought i already try and it not affect the direct output level. (yes red light :) )

    No, i can adjust it only when i put the direct output in the "preamped mic" of my m-audio, no way to do that in the line ones..


    I made few tests, i'll put them in a few minutes.

    So, here some exemple (sorry for the playing but it's just for the sound)


    The chain is


    Normal:
    Guitar -> Kemper -> Spdif(m-audio firewire 410) -> Logic Pro 9 and KPA Direct output -> Line in 1 (sound card) or Mic in 1 to adjust the level


    Re Amping:
    Logic pro 9 -> Line out 3 (sound card) -> Kemper -> Spdif sound card -> Logic pro 9



    So here some exemple, i used The 1967 Vibrolux 2x10 profile without any change, with my vigier excalibur custom humbuckers bridge and neck positions only:
    I also noticed a saturation problem (worse when reamping) even trough the kemper, but the input and output were in green, sometimes a little in yellow ?(




    First exemple:

    http://soundcloud.com/mugiwara-4/kpa-test-1967-vibrolux-2x10
    the same reamped
    http://soundcloud.com/mugiwara…test-1967-vibrolux-2x10-1



    Second exemple: (with direct output in the mic in and level adjusted)


    http://soundcloud.com/mugiwara…test-1967-vibrolux-2x10-5


    reamped:
    http://soundcloud.com/mugiwara…test-1967-vibrolux-2x10-2



    Third Exemple: clean sense to 1.5 (3.0 before) and line in for the direct output


    http://soundcloud.com/mugiwara…test-1967-vibrolux-2x10-3
    re amped
    http://soundcloud.com/mugiwara…test-1967-vibrolux-2x10-4