Two ways of profiling a stomp box...kind of

Hi guys,

heres what I thought of:
What if the Kemper could profile its own sound? This way you could "add" a stompbox like a screamer or something to an existing profile. Now I know, that you can always make a second profile of your favourite clean amp with a pedal engaged, or use an internal pedal.
But what if your favourite clean amp is one inside the kemper? And the pedal you have at hand is not? I think this combination is not so unusual as it sounds.
For example, I have an Engl Tubetoner, which is a tube preamp with multiple chanels. I tried to use it with different tube and solid state poweramps and was never quite happy until I simply plugged it in front of a Marshall JTM 45. That is one hell of a Rock-Sound and a BBE Sonic Stomp in between makes it even better.
Now I don't have a Marshall JTM 45. To be honest, I don't have any amplifier worth mentioning but there are lots of great clean amps in the Kemper (and on this website and yet to come ). So If I could profile one of them again, with my Engl engaged, I'd have that sound. And it's definitely different, from profiling the Engl itsself and adding a cabinet.
Other Pedals would work like this as well, there are tons of them out there.
So you could save your already tweaked profile with whatever pedal/preamp you put in front of it.

That was the first solution I thought of. Now for those of you who already think I'm nuts, it won't get any better

The second idea I had was:
What if we could save an ampprofile as a stomp box? Taking one amps preamp section into another amps preamp or poweramp, I've seen crazier stuff. The settings could be cut down to a minimum, of course we don't need "powersagging" or "pick" in that case. Just basic controls like on the other drive pedals.
This could be as followed: We can already choose between profiling a dirty or a clean amp. "Drive Pedal" could be the third option. If you choose it, the kemper tells you to choose an existing profile, like a clean amp, which the kemper puts behind the profiling signal chain. (The amp is only so you have something pleasant to listen to) You can then tweak your pedal until it sounds fine. Do the profiling. After this you can compare the new modeled drive pedal to the one you got at your foot, maybe refine it and safe it to one of the user slots.
This way we would be able to not only get our most loved drive/distortion/fuzz pedals (even a wah-wah at middle position ala "money for nothing") into the kemper. We would also have the ability to do all sorts of crazy preamp-amp combinations.
We could even "invent" new drive pedals like "A bit of Tubescreamer, into an Engl tubetoner channel two, into a BBE Sonic Stomp". I think I call this one the "SUPER-SONIC-STEELDOM-SCREAMER"

Now what do you think?

Quote from viabcroce

As for his second idea, IMO it can't be done without serious HW/SF modifications to the KPA's structure and/or logic: stompboxes in the KPA are modelled, not profiled, and lie in a completely different logical "part" of the machine.

Due to the tenths of requests for new functionalities and/or modifications which flow in the same logic path of the KPA's philosophy, this is something so far from the intrinsic nature of the machine that it seems very remote to me

I don't think it is so completely off what the Kemper already does. We can already profile a preamp alone. The new function would be to save the amp part of a profile as a stompbox with reduced settings. (Which is what I meant. Reading my first post now I think I just wrote much to much around what I wanted to propose in the first place )
That would of course only work if the Kemper is capable of running two profiles at once.

Of course I want this feature to be implemented in lets say the next two month, max! If not I will never touch it again, leave this forum and never talk to any of guys again... EVER!!!

Just kidding, I just thought this is a way to widen the use of the "profiling concept". Of course it would require a lot of work. Personally if such a tremendous feature would be implemented I would have not a bit against paying for it.
Like a modular system. You have the normal profiling (which is excelent itsself) and many effects already onboard. Additional features can be bought from kemper.

I could also see a "kemper profiling stompbox". A counterpart that exclusivly profiles different stompboxes. This could of course be used with traditional tube amps as well as with the kpa.

I admit, most of this is probably not a "feature request" more like ideas for the future.

@guitarnet: so from now on I will ask you if I want a stompbox added to a certain profile

Quote from guitarnet70

If you send me the stomp as well, we can organize something.

Since we don't live that much apart that seems to be a nice idea.
Have you already tried to profile the profiler? And if yes, what were your results?

Quote from viabcroce

Are you aware you can profile gain-related fx only? No delays, flangers, reverbs... And what would the use of a single snapshot of a compressor or a graphic eq be?

The KPA can't profile amps & fx: it can profile those fx which behave like amps, because of the fact that it can profile amps! So this new profiler would be limited to distortion and overdrive boxes... and to single snapshots of them ... ... Not sure it would be profitable for the designer in terms of market share

Yep I am aware of that and I am talking only about these kind of effects.
The reason is pretty simple. Some people like to use the distortion out of the amp itsself, some prefer to use clean amps cranked and add a gainpedal in front of it.
Sometimes combinations of pedals. The reason therefore is (at least in my case) that I like the specific sound of that amp, only that I want it distorted in one way or another. Maybe with a bluesy pedal, maybe with some highgain stuff. Adding compressors, eqs to combinations of gainpedals gives you in the end the kind of distortion that you want in that particular sound.
Maybe I'm totally alone on this one but before using modelling stuff I often used combinations of 2-4 pedals to get ONE specific sound. The same combination put before a different amp of course gives a totally different sound.
What I'm suggesting is that you can capture this whole chain (which can even include the preamp of an actuall amp) via profiling and be able to put it before any amp you like, just like it was a single pedal.
Lets say you take a tubescreamer as the basis, you add a sight compressor to give it a little more punch but there are certain frequencys that behave unpleasant, so you put an equalizer into the chain, et voila. But you have to use 3 different pedals, just to get this one sound.

Of course we can already profile it with an amp. The only difficulty is that you have to profile each amp again, with the pedals and no way to change only the sound of these pedals but not the amp, once its profiled. You can only profile it again, with changed settings. And again, and again.

The feature I'm suggestion would enable you to "create" your own gainpedal, with all the components you like, to get the exact kind of distortion you like, that no single pedal can provide you. And of course we could exchange our custom distortion pedals, als well as we could exchange boutique pedals, like we do with boutique amps.
There are about 20 (afaik) different kinds of tube screamers since they were first made and everyone has a different tone, that doesn't even include all the possible mods on these pedals. Again just like a marshall jtm 45 is not like a marshall jtm 45 if you know what I mean.

I really hope that you can understand what I mean, because my english is not the best sometimes.