Output Clip Monitor Vs Main

    I have a two part question.


    1.) I have some output clipping on may rigs using my JP6 and Les Paul (both HB). I have tried the clean sense decrease and it still shows some hints of light red on heavier attacks. My Dist. is 0 and clean is now 2.5. I tried 0 and it was the same result. If I plug into the main output instead of monitor output it appears to diminish. The problem is that I use the monitor out so I can control my monitor volume using the master volume knob on stage and leave the FOH volume constant.....which brings me to question 2..


    2.) When I plugged the 1/4" into the main instead of the monitor the tone was slightly different. I have everything on as far as the rig-cabinet on both outputs.


    Any help would be appreciated.

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    Lower the volume or the cab volume 'till the output led stays on green and then raise the master volume if necessary.


    For question 2 you have eq for the monitor out in the Master menu

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    The cab volumes are set at 0 for me. I have the master at -15db (main setting under system) so it allows the FOH some headroom. I can't increase the master as I use it for my monitor. The eq's are flat so the tone qualities should be the same from both outputs. I like them set identical so I hear what the audience hears. I use an FRFR for my monitor. If I want any eq change I change it at the amp level so it carries to all outputs identically.

    "More Guitar in the Monitors" :thumbup:

    Doesn't matter where the volume is set, if it is clipping the output you need to decrease it. You have a dedicated volume for the monitor out in the Master menu (you can also un-link it from the master volume). The monitor out EQ ist there to make the stage sound pleasant for you, even if you would use exactly the same boxes for stage and audience you would anyway have different sounds due to room and position of the speakers, that's why Main and Monitor out do have separate global eq: to compensate for it. The tools are there, don't be shy to use them

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    I got the master volume and rig volume concept. I noted that I'm using the master volume knob to increase or decrease my stage volume (monitor) so it is not linked to the FOH volume. I noted the main volume which is under the system settings where you can link and unlink monitor etc. I have decreased that because my overall level going to the FOH was a little hot so it was lowered.


    The question is what will make the output clip?


    I've tried clean/dist and it seems to not matter. I did notice the clipping goes away for the most part if I'm not plugged into the monitor out.

    "More Guitar in the Monitors" :thumbup:

    Not sure why this should affect the monitor and main outputs differently but with regards to the clipping, I've experienced a few problems like this as well with the input ok but the output light clipping. Have you looked through to check if any of the pre or post pedals/EQ setting have their volumes increased? I've found in a few profiles that I've downloaded where (e.g) a post delay or reverb has a + 2.00 on their volume, usually on the last page of the effect sub menu, so it's easily missed. If a few other stomps have been set like this it all adds up... Just a thought.

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    Im sure Im missing something but quoting from the ADDENDUM 1.5 pdf, I read this...... "Alternatively,
    you can switch off the cabinet in the STACK section; this will bypass the virtual cabinet for all outputs."
    ANy idea how I can do this as when I open the STACK button, there is only the option to rename the profile. Any help would help. Thanks.

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    Back to the original question. I have noticed some of the rigs had eq and others with volume values but the answer is adjusting the system output volumes (if keeping the rig volumes consistent). They were just hitting Orangr but now appear under control.

    "More Guitar in the Monitors" :thumbup:

    Master volume is not supposed to have any influence on the output clipping, it should be after the D/A.....

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    The master volume knob does not. What I'm talking about I'd under the outpu button there are volume settings this is where you can make that adjustment to every source which is why my monitor was clipping but my mains were not. You adjust your main, monitor and headphones. Worked lovely.

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