I wonder if people are waiting for LPs to get out of BETA. I know I have not upgraded yet. Is it out of Beta yet?
Posts by RosboneMako
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The point though of LP's - as I see it .... and as CK states - is that if you do it as recommended, you will get very "authentic" amp response and adjustability whereby when you move the G/B/M/T etc.... it "authentically" reproduces how the Amp would respond ... no one is claiming its "1:1 perfect" ... but it is very "authentic" and to my ears bang-on amp-like and musical.
For clarity:
What I was saying is pretend you have an old Fender. Maybe the EQ is after the preamp. LP's should work fine on this amp generically just set the EQ in the Kemper to Pre. Same for a Marshall or something that has EQ then gain. Set the EQ to post.
Both of these scenarios will be great 90% of the time with LP's for most amps.
The issue comes with situations like EQ -> Gain - > EQ -> Gain -> EQ. LP's are not going to be great with a single shot for this amp. You will probably need multiple profiles.
I am just saying people need to be realistic about what the Kemper is trying to accomplish. If you want dead nuts copies of an amp get a Helix, Fractal, etc. If you want an amp that sounds amazing, is easy to use, and even better most of the time get the Kemper.
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Since every amp is designed a little different, you should profile at several points. The EQ and gain stages will vary so you cant just magically do a 12 o'clock version and have it be perfect.
The addition of some EQ presets will not magically make the Kemper a Helix(etc) where every device in the amp has been modeled. Liquid is designed to get you much closer to the real amp, not model that amp to perfection.
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Firefox and Windows 11?
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Agreed kids now complain of carrying a P.A. on a stick . We carried 70 PAR cans, heavy light dimmers, Leprecon light board and 8x BGW 750 backbreaker power amps (about 85lbs ea.) that we lifted and took 4 guys to lift each rack they were in and 4 huge MCA Sub cabs with 15" speakers and a 4 way P.A The only instructional videos I had were pushing my way up to the front of a show and watching fingers. I cannot even respond when I hear of people complaining about "hauling" around the systems now. My amp rig in the 80s was harder to haul around. We were WAY tougher then.
You cant fit into "skinny" jeans when you bulk up so much carrying man sized equipment
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Any pedals should go between the Kemper and Amp. When the profile is happening, your guitar is not being used. To get the pedals gain and tonal characteristics the Kemper needs to put its test signals thru the pedal and amp.
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The Kemper is an electronic device that is plugged into the wall. It will make more noise than a guitar generically. But it is usually pretty clean.
Things to look at are:
- The Kemper should be connected to the same power source (outlet) as the Amplifier. Or you will get GROUND LOOPS where small amounts of current are flowing on the cables because the Amp and Kemper are not at the same GROUND voltage/potential.
- If the Kemper is connected to a PC with a USB cable, you will get a bunch of noise. It is best to remove the USB when profiling. May help if the Computer is also on the same power source.
- Cables are antennas. The longer the cables used from the Guitar/Amp/Kemper, the more noise and the less Guitar/Kemper signal you will have. This is called signal to noise ratio.
- Computers are noise generators. Even if not connected to a PC, you will pick up noise being transmitted from the PC. Always keep the guitar/Kemper/Cables as far away from the PC/Monitor as possible.
You may be able to go into the Kemper and try lifting GROUNDs on inputs/outputs to see if it stops the ground loops.
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Double click the profile in RM and make sure you see a little "headphone" icon in front of it in RM. That will let you know the profile is loaded to be auditioned (played).
Arrow Keys work great also once you are in the list of rigs. For me it is easier than trying to grab the mouse and click.
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Just for giggles, did Kemper have you run RM as an admin? If for some security reason RM has lost access to certain directories maybe it just crashes??? Worth a shot.
If you right click the Rig Manager program icon from the start menu, your desktop, or explorer you get the RUN AS ADMINISTRATOR option.
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May need more information.
1) Has it ever run on this PC?
2) Did it run for years and all of a sudden start crashing?
3) Do you let Windows auto-update (most everyone does)? Did RM stop working after an update? Most applications run on runtime libraries that Microsoft updates randomly.
4) Have you tried starting RM with no unit connected? A different USB cord and/or port?
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CORRUPT FILES MAYBE??? DANGER: PROCEED WITH CAUTION
RM stores its user data in C:\Users\YOURWINDOWSACCOUNTNAME\AppData\Local\Kemper Amps\Rig Manager. After uninstalling RM make sure this folder is empty. Maybe there is a corrupt data file that is crashing RM.
NOTE: This is where your local library files are stored!!! Make a copy/backup of the files in ..\Local Library before deleting everything.
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I have seen rare instances when Windows updates itself it will lose access to the USERS directory. Since you have uninstalled and then reinstalled, this is probably not the issue. This issue would present more like RM stops working after a Windows update.
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Are you listening to the Cab the same way you are listening to the Altos?
Hi freqs are directional. If you listen to the cab pointed at your ankles and the Altos pointed at your head, the Altos will sound very harsh since your profiles may be tuned to the cab on the floor. Meaning you wont hear the highs on the cab since the highs are all going at your knees/ankles so people tend to tune the profiles very bright/harsh. Once you have the Altos pointed at your head, you will hear ALL of the extra highs you added to the profile.
As Kellerblues said, most people here will suggest the OUTPUT menu Hi Cut filter.
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Bruh! Like I know right!
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I'd use just a touch of room reverb. Less is more, but it works great
I was going to say the same thing. If you worry about changing the tone too much (Chorus, pitch, etc) then add some really small room reverb. Whats great about the Kemper is you can EQ the verb settings so they emphasize the right part of your sound. And as musicmad said, less is more. You dont want the "I'm in a tube" or "in a toilet" setting
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My take is LP will be modeled filters. The whole profiling process figures out how the tubes are reacting to the input. So there is no need for the Kemper to try and model those components.
The simplest thing to do is model the EQ controls from the real amp. This is important because those EQ values are not the same the Kemper uses now with its fixed value EQ.
Add to this the fact most amp filters interact with each other. Changing the mid or bass may actually change how the treble sounds. So boosting the 120 Hz (bass) on a graphic EQ will give you more bass around 120 Hz only. Changing the bass on an amp may also add some 900 Hz because you are altering the circuit and the bass components are part of the mid components. They feed into each other.
The current Kemper EQ can only give one type of EQ curve. The new EQs being added will give you a lot of alternatives. And they will be some what predictable if you know the amp. You could already get very close using the Studio EQ. But it would take some knowledge, testing, and the values will NOT interact like the real amp. With LP it is a one click operation.
Modelers try to nail down all of the gain stages and their interactions. I predict the Kemper will stick to the same single stage gain structure it has now. Just use more accurate EQs.
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2. Reduce the low end before the gain stage. This is sort of what the DEFINITION does. I like to run an EQ as the first stomp.
Working on my VST, I found a good start for low cut is around 150 Hz (crunch) and move it up as the gain increases. Then add bass back after gain stages.
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Just checking, how are you listening to the Kemper?
I normally play thru a 100 watt stereo into Behringer 2031P 8" monitors. The tweeters are very flat sounding. I dont normally play loud. And the overall sound of the Kemper is fine. But it does not sing or have much treble presence. It sounds a bit muted.
While working on the VST, I am on my programming PC which has Edifier 1280T 4" speakers. These speakers are not flat. There is a lot of low bass and crisp highs. Guitar sounds amazing on them. When playing the VST on these speakers it sings and has amazing presence like you are next to the amp. Really fun to play on them.
I have not spent enough time with the VST on the Behringers to get a feel for it.
Today, I pulled the Kemper up to the programming PC and played thru the Edifiers. It sang fine and was a blast to play. So some of the singing tone must be vibrations and feedback from these speakers. Even though I am not playing loud at all. But I was blown away by how much better it sang.
I keep making these posts about how important the crossover and tweeter are for guitar. The Edifiers sounds amazing. The Behringers... not so much. They of course have better bass and can play at much higher volumes. But the presence and sizzle of the tweeter is MIA.
I recently repaired an old Laney ProTube 50. It has a very nice Tube sound on the clean channel. Was testing pedals today on it. I will eventually test out the Kemper on it. I usually play thru a custom 2x12 cab I made with varying speakers in it. They get rotated. Eminence, Bugera, and Celestion 70 80.
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I doubt it. I'd guess it's the profiles you choose, the power you use for the speakers or your monitoring setup.
I purchased the profiles I heard people play and they dont sound similar to me at all. Now that I have written the VST stuff, I am very tempted to sell the Kemper. But I love making profiles. So I still mess with it all the time. I also want to try some other monitoring situations, just been too busy to try it out yet.
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My real point was how so many of the non Kemper users have all these pedals cables and tube amps that a Kemper alone would do a better job at. Thus "Why not just a Kemper"? I haven't heard a single Rig rundown with amp and pedals that a Kemper wouldn't outdo in every way in my opinion.
I am not very smart. But in writing my VST, I have some insight.
My personal Kemper does not sing like a tube amp. My old POD HD has a singing tone on one profile. That is why I constantly feel there is something wrong with MY Kemper.
My VST is centered around a generic distortion pedal. I have the signal go into a bandpass filter centered between 600 and 1400 Hz (700 Hz is typical). You can control the Q of the filter. This little "transistor" amp pedal model "sings". If I hit an A note (10th fret B string) it will slowly change the pitch up an octave as the string decays. I do not get this type of thing from the Kemper on any profile. Even ones I have made from the VST that sing. And the singing is the main reason why I bought the Kemper. Seeing Herman Li get great tone on his Twitch stream.
I think you need to do this filtering before the distortion stage. Which would require a stomp/EQ in the Kemper. Which I have tried but have not had success yet. Still working on it because Herman does it, so it must be possible. Assuming he is not using some other pedals external, which he may be doing.
MY POINT
For most people, they can grab a pedal and a tube amp and they are done. It works great and gets them over that 2% improvement hump with no work or knowledge required. Since they may not understand what they need to do to get the right tone, they have to fall back to rumor and legend buying whatever the magic bullet is.
Those of us who have the knowledge or just like tinkering prefer the day to day repeatability and ease of use of the Kemper.
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I haven't had much luck using a dynamic mic...
I got a Behringer C-1 low grade dog food condenser mic for $19 on sale ($45 normally). And it is the best guitar mic I have ever used
Most of my profiles have C1 after them.
ON TOPIC
Since you can press REFERENCE AMP, you should be able to dial in the amp sound with music before profiling? But that would still be song dependent. So maybe not much help overall.
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Besides, I only own one other OD/Dist pedal.
Time to up your game! I am not a pedal guy at all and I several.
Just kidding, I never use pedals. But I do have a few. Notables are:
- a Nobles OD because someone suggested it. Pretty cool. Drives a Metal Zone really well.
- Wampler Dracarys. I wanted something heavy and I wanted to give Wampler money. It was basically a donation to his cause of making awesome pedals. Super cool guy.
Glad you got it. Cant wait to hear all about it and maybe get some profiles from ya! We need content while we wait for Liquid Profiling
