Posts by Marshall2550

Quote from ST

Hi, Marshall2550.

Doing a factory reset won't get the original Rigs (what you called Presets) back.

The easiest way is to use Rig Manager. The latest versions have Kemper Rig Packs. (Ace Skunk, Bert, Franz, Gundy... and more).

and version 8 factory content.

You can preview those profiles and install the ones you want by hitting the Store button on the Profiler. See the second link below.

? Kemper Manuals and Quick Start guides ?

? Rig Manager Download and Documentation ??

? Kemper Tutorials & Demos (videos) ?

? Before you buy Commercial Rigs and Profiles check out the Rig Manager for Rig Packs and Rig Exchange

? Kemper FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions)

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Thanks ST!

That is what I was looking for. I forgot they are called rigs

I have had an on and off again relationship with my Kemper. I'll have times that I use it and then go for months without turning it on and forget everything.

Thanks again bud!

Quote from ST

Hi, Marshall2550.

You're right, it's not in the manual. You might want to contact Kemper support about whatever problem you're trying to solve. They may have some other approaches for you.

Kemper Support

I don't have a problem really. I just deleted a bunch of stuff early on and I would like to get those presets back. Any idea how to do that?

I am sure it is on here somewhere but I haven't been able to find it

Couldn't find it in the manual either?

I think the short answer here is: Don't use a Load box.

I went through countless hours trying to figure out why I was getting inconsistent results to find out that the Kemper does not like to play well with load boxes. It will, in fact, work well sometimes and then you will do another profile with everything identical and get a totally different result. If you want consistency, don't use a load box with your kemper.

So, I did report the issue via email to Kemper. They asked me to try a few things.

Here is a vid showing what it does when it does this inconsistent thing.

Well, it's back!

I thought I had it worked out but here comes the horrible inconsistencies again!

Have an amp that has the gain set on 2 which would be just a slight bit of breakup. After profiling it shows the gain really high and sounds NOTHING like the amp. Way overly distorted! This thing works sometimes and then other times ...not even close.

Oh, forgot to mention I also turned on the "Return 3 &4" ground lift button. I was getting a tiny bit of noise. This could have been part of the culprit as well???

Well, after doing some profiling with a real cab hooked up ( speaker out -> DI thru w/real cab -> Kemper) I think that works the best. I still get a little variation but not nearly as wide as before.

Also, I get more variation with the Two Notes Torpedo Captor than I do with my Rupert Neve RNDI.

I think the culprit was the Captor. Being a reactive load it most not be as consistent as a real speaker???

So, my conclusion would be:

You can use a reactive load box like the Captor into a DAW with IRs but the results can be all over the place.

Using the Captor with a thru to a real speaker is better.

The best is to use the Rupert RNDI with a real speaker.

Thanks everyone who has responded and for your help!

Yes, I have messed with that refining process and used a looper pedal that way it was identical and I still got different results.

I am coming to the conclusion that this is either normal??? for the Kemper or mine is defective??

Anyone???, please do an experiment and see if you have the same results.

I'm not actually too worried that the Kemper would not be an exact copy of the real amp but consistency to me is very important.

Quote from Wheresthedug

Sorry to hear that.

Are you refining the profiles or just making them and saving straight away?

I am not refining them. I would think that could lead to more inconsistencies?

Ok, so today first thing I try is using my Torpedo Captor in thru mode while hooked to a cab. The idea here is to make a DA profile and then add the same IR to each to hear the difference.

Still get inconsistent results. Definition varies from 8.0 to 10.0. I can then set definition to the same on all examples and it changes the tone a little but still ALL are inconsistent and do not sound the same.

Up next: I do the same experiment with my Rupert Neve DI box, going thru to a real cab. I get the same results= INCONSISTENT!!!!!

The Neve DI did sound a little richer overall which would be expected but again the results are different each time. It's not always just the definition but also the gain. Today I just ran each set in groups of 3. All 3 always sound different. I can even afterward set Definition and Gain the same and they still sound different.

I always allow the amp to warm up for a few minutes as well.

So, is my Kemper defective???

Has anyone else tried an experiment like this? Do you get the same result each time or is mine faulty?

Quote from Wheresthedug

i’m only thinking out loud here but have you tried a simple DI Box with the real speaker connected to the through.

i have the Torpedo Reload which the Captor is based on and it definitely changes the sound of profiles. In my case not necessarily in “bad” way but definitely different. For DI profiles I actually prefer my cheap and cheerful ART DI box.

No, I haven't but that is what I am planning for this weekend along with just the actual speaker and mics. I also do have a few other DI boxes ( Radial & Rupert Neve ) to try. Thanks for the heads up on the DI boxes. I do know that all are not created equal when dealing with those. Thanks for your response, I really do appreciate you taking your time to help!

Quote from paults

If you were using your DAW for IR sounds, you were using external digital gear that may not of been completely in sync. Most DAW’s have some latency. Is it possible for you to direct monitor through an IR plug-in?

First, I really appreciate your help!
The way I was profiling, I wasn't using any digital signal so I wouldn't have to do any clock syncing. I understand what you mean though, I have ADAT preamps etc. I did however try different input buffer latency settings. That was one of the first things I thought it might be. This last set I profiled was entirely done with only my torpedo captor and the amp so, no DAW or interface etc in the chain. I wanted to rule that out but the problem is still there. This last set I just imported my IRs to the Kemper and used them with the DA profiles that way I could rule out any other thing besides the Kemper it's self. I even tried different amps. I also have Two Captors ( 8 Ohm & 16 Ohm) and tried both....same thing happens. It is with the Kemper, but why??? Am I missing something?? I should add that I have not been doing the refining process. I had read that it isn't needed and I have experimented and haven't noticed any major differences.

Quote from paults

Are you using your Kemper as the Master Clock to keep your DAW in sync? if not, the lack of synchronization might get cause each profile different.

No, I was not but I was also not using a digital signal in either case I was profiling.

I have a Stage. I got it I think last October. Played around with it for a while then went for months not being able to use it much-really busy on other things. So, my problem is that when I profile I get different results. I was doing it like this: Amp -> Torpedo Captor -> DAW w/ IRs -> back to Kemper

I started noticing that my results were all over the place. First, I thought well maybe somewhere in my chain I have an issue. I tried different amps, cords, etc and no difference. I still get this inconsistency. Some sound good while others sound really bad - harsh and trebly and anywhere in between.

So, today I make 10 Direct Amp DA profiles of the same amp with the same settings. The definition will come out any where from 8.5 to 10.0 on this set of 10. I then import the same single IR and adjust the definition the same for each of these rigs. They all sound different! What is causing this?

Quote from Ibot39

Maybe a gain staging problem? How do you make your (direct amp?) profiles? Using DAW and IR loader / plugins the profiling process is very sensitive to this.

I've been doing it like this:

Speaker out -> Torpedo Captor -> DAW via my Presonus Studio 192 -> Studio One Pro 4->IR loader w/IRs -> back to Kemper

I have also tried using some FX like very mild EQ curves or Console emulators but usually prefer it dry so that down the road I won't be stuck with that sound and add those FX later in a mix.

When I first got the Stage I was all over the place with gain staging ( Captor? preamp gain? DAW CH volumes? DAW Output volume?). I think I've got it narrowed down but maybe this problem I'm having has been there from the start? I have had early profiles that sounded great and others that were just horrible.

I have narrowed down for gain staging to only adjust the output of the Captor and keep everything else the same. At first I was getting lots of To Low or Too High error signals back into the kemper. By keeping everything at around unity gain and only adjusting the output of the Captor seems to work better, I think. I have even tried different latency buffers thinking maybe that could be it but....same story???

Quote from Ibot39

Thanks for sharing! So this is basically one (direct amp) profile with different IR?

They all sound very very bright and harsh to my ears. So I tried some other cabs and IR (from other profiles and Ownhammer, Bogren, ML Soundlab, Celestion, my own cab IR...). They all sound pretty good (or workable at least) and none of them had that "ear piercing" harshness. Maybe it's just me

Thanks for informing of that! You are correct. I appear to be having an issue that I am trying to find the problem. I can make a profile using the exact same settings 5 times and I get 5 varying different results. I have ruled out all outboard gear such as amp, cables and load box so, the problem must be in my DAW or the Kemper itself. The definition can vary from 0.2 to 10.0! And sometimes the definition will be very close but still sound very different- like harsh and brittle sounding. Since I've owned the Kemper Stage I haven't yet did any profiling with a real cab and mic. I think I will try that out this weekend to see if it does the same thing. Any of you guys have similar troubles?

Here are a few profiles of my Marshall DSL 20HR with a Marshall Silver Jubilee 2x12 Vertical 2536A cab loaded with Greenbacks.

The different mics used are in the name EX:

D20 JB2GB "421" ……"421" meaning Sennheiser MD421

"57" - Shure SM57

"M81" - Telefunken M81-SH

"7B" - Shure SM7B

"N102" - Neuman TLM 102

"609" - Sennheiser E609

"Rib" - SE Electronics X1R Ribbon

There are a few multi-mics as well done at 50% each mic.

These are all zombiecabs IRs ( https://zombiecabs.com/ ) in the profiles in which I used the original length IRs (about 2 seconds long) so I think they sound about 10-20% better than what is available on the website(125ms). The Kemper seems to be able to respond better with the longer IRs while profiling. This is making me think about offering some special "Kemper IR Packs" that would be much longer that can be used in a DAW for profiling purposes only. Let me know what you guys think?

DSL20HR 2536A mics.zip

Here are some profiles (14) of my Jubilee 2525H with multiple cabs. This time just used a Sennheiser E609 single mic with my Zombiecabs IRs.

Ld ch w gain about 6, LD master 7, and output master 6

2525H w Cabs.zip

I think you can!

Here is a vid I did showing that with profiles of a Marshall SV20H.

Also, attached the rigs used here.

SV20 Tube test.zip