Can't reamp with SPDIF :(

nattewolf · Apr 10th 2018

Hi all,

Big problem since weeks! I recorded some D.I. tracks with the Kemper using my Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 (44.1kHz) with the front input (not SPDIF). When I try to reamp it with the Reamp Input, I must set the dist sens on 12 or so in order to have a tone like I recorded with (if I keep it on 0, the reamped signal is floppy). Furthermore, with the dist sens at 12, I have a GIGANTIC breath so it's not an option for me!

Apparently, there's no problem like that with SPDIF so I want to try to reamp it through SPDIF (maybe it's not possible when I already recorded with front input?). I hooked up the SPDIF I/O between the Kemper and the Focusrite. I have my dry signal and my wet signal when I try to record through SPDIF BUT I can't reamp my dry signal from the Focusrite to the Kemper (I set the mixcontrol, 44,1kHz, SPDIF..., my in and out on my DAW (ProTools), input source (SPDIF reamp) and output source (Git/Stack) on the Kemper but nothing...). In fact, I think something get out of the Focusrite cause my monitors turns on when I try to reamp (they stay off when I do nothing) but no sound except some "clicks".

Any idea?

Thanks a lot,

lespauled · Apr 10th 2018

The issue most likely has to do with Scarlett Mix Control.

Attached are a couple of screenshots of my Scarlett settings.

In the DAW, I set up a SEND and set that to SPDIF out. I set all dry tracks to that SEND, and MUTE them, so nothing is going to the SEND. When I want to ReAmp, I UNMUTE that track and record into another track.

Give these settings a shot.

Burkhard · Apr 10th 2018

I don't understand why during the analog reamping you used the front input!? There are two dedicated Input Sources for reamping:
for analog it's Return Input Reamp and for S/PDIF its S/PDIF Input Reamp.
As soon as you select one of those Input Sources you can use Reamp Sens. Distortion Sens has a different purpose.

The Reference Manual includes a dedicated chapter about Reamping and step by step instructions. Why are you deviating from those and trying to reinvent reamping?

GearJocke · Apr 10th 2018

This video explain how to reamp with a Focusrite soundcard.

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Michael_dk · Apr 10th 2018

You can also look for the link in my signature

nattewolf · Apr 10th 2018

Hi all,

Thanks for your answers, I'm trying to reamp thanks to your answers.

Lespauled: It's already super-nice to you but can I ask you to send a better quality screenshots if you can cause I can't really read it ?

Burkhard: sorry, I mispoke: I use Return Input Reamp in order to reamp. I use front input in order to record only Hum, I read the dedicated chapter about Reamping and step by step instructions. I'm not deviating from those and trying to reinvent reamping, I only want to reamp!!

Burkhard · Apr 11th 2018

... and you really meant Reamp Sens instead of Distortion Sens?

ckemper · Apr 11th 2018

And one more detail:
If you are forced to crank up Reamp Sens all the way up, it shows that you are not driving the Reamp input with an appropriate signal level.
Control the signal in your DAW or your audio interface.

nattewolf · Apr 12th 2018

Honnestly, I tried!!

I can record through SPDIF (Git/Stack) and get my dry track and my wet track (see picture 1). No problem for it. My wet signal get the exact same sound of my profile (normal I guess!). But I can't reamp my dry track with SPDIF!!! I think I miss something, probably on the Mixcontrol (see 2d picture) I want to send my (previously recorded and edited on protools) dry track to the Kemper through SPDIF (as if it was the track I was playing with my guitar, like when I recorded it the first time, at the beginning of the post) and reamp it again with SPDIF (like the first time again...).

Here's the input and outputs in my DAW (picture 3 and 4). Not that I don't make efforts, but I really can't

Michael_dk · Apr 13th 2018

As far as I can tell, you've not routed correctly in protools - seems like you send the DI track to "Mon 1-2" instead of the spdif output.

Try reading my guide again (link in my signeture).

lespauled · Apr 13th 2018

nattewolf · Apr 14th 2018

Thanks

So, with your screenshot, when I do the same, the dry track returns to the Kemper but, the sound keeps dry, it's not affected by the profile. I was thinking, the sound will be affected depending the profile, as if I was playing with the front input

Michael_dk · Apr 14th 2018

Quote from nattewolf

Thanks

So, with your screenshot, when I do the same, the dry track returns to the Kemper but, the sound keeps dry, it's not affected by the profile. I was thinking, the sound will be affected depending the profile, as if I was playing with the front input

Test with headphones plugged into the kemper to make sure the signal actually gets into the kemper.

If it does, then it's a setting in the kemper you need to change. probably, you've set the spdif in to be aux, and you need to set the "Input" to be the spdif (in the input menu).

lespauled · Apr 16th 2018

Have you set the input source to SPDIF ReAmp?

nattewolf · Apr 17th 2018

Error from me: the dry track doesn't return to the Kemper but, the dry track is played through my monitors connected to my DAW at a very low volume (although I directed the dry track to SPDIF...). The Kemper still doesn't get signal from SPDIF Reamp Input...

Michael_dk: Yes, I read your guide a few times and I don't know what I am doing wrong, I think I do exactly like you... Tomorrow I will try to detail point by point from your guide in order to check with you but it seems "right" to me (it must not haha!)

lespauled: Yes, the iput source of the Kemper is set on SPDIF ReAmp (see pictures)

Michael_dk · Apr 18th 2018

I still think your problem is this: Can't reamp with SPDIF :(

nattewolf · Apr 18th 2018

I think the routing in protools must not be ok too as you say (or the mixcontrol parameters) but I send the DI track to "SPDIF" (L/R, L only and R only in order to try) and nothing go through the Kemper. I read your guide, forums, the Kemper manual and look at some youtube videos for the Kemper reamping and the mixcontrol and nothing works for me. I'm blond but I didn't thinl I was so dumb I'm becoming a little mad at it

Michael_dk · Apr 18th 2018

Quote from nattewolf

I think the routing in protools must not be ok too as you say (or the mixcontrol parameters) but I send the DI track to "SPDIF" (L/R, L only and R only in order to try) and nothing go through the Kemper. I read your guide, forums, the Kemper manual and look at some youtube videos for the Kemper reamping and the mixcontrol and nothing works for me. I'm blond but I didn't thinl I was so dumb I'm becoming a little mad at it

In your first screenshot of the protools session (capture.jpeg) the signal seems to be sent to Mon 1/2 - this should be changed to your spdif output (or something else that mixcontrol can pick up).

nattewolf · Apr 19th 2018

Tell me if I say something wrong:

First: I send my dry track on SPDIF L/R (same result if I send to SPDIF L or SPDIF R, I tried).

Then: In I/O in ProTools: SPDIF L is assigned to DAW 11 and SPDIF R to DAW 12

Mixcontrol: DAW 11 => SPDIF

Michael_dk · Apr 19th 2018

Quote from nattewolf

Tell me if I say something wrong:

First: I send my dry track on SPDIF L/R (same result if I send to SPDIF L or SPDIF R, I tried).

Then: In I/O in ProTools: SPDIF L is assigned to DAW 11 and SPDIF R to DAW 12

Mixcontrol: DAW 11 => SPDIF

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First pic: You tracks are sent to Mon 1-2, not to spdif - as far as I can tell. I'm not a protools user. But I'm pretty sure that what you have set as "spdif" are the track INputs - not the track OUTputs.

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