Not this again I here you say

Raoul23 · Jun 17th 2013

Fixed my guitar last nite and have been playing the kemper loads today and came across this question

Clean and dist sense????? now I know this has been discussed loads on here. My main guitar is a PRS Dave Navarro not the SE version and today I've been going through all my profiles deleting the ones I won't use. from reading on here i gathered that the clean sens is used to make the clean profiles the same volume as a distortion profile.

I was jamming on a TAF JCM 800 distortion profile and noticed the input was clipping so I went into the input settings and distort sense was on 0 and clean sense was on 1.5 this is how'd I'd set it up so the clean and distortion profiles were all the same volume. I decided to turn the clean sense up and the input really clipped then down and the input stopped clipping???? How can this be when I was on a distortion profile.

I also read on here from another thread about this that CK advised people to leave the dist sense on 0. So if that's the case my clean sense would be at 0 and then to make my distortion profiles the same volume I'd have to turn distort sense down to -1.5????????

Any info on this would be much appreciated

Guitartone · Jun 17th 2013

Don't forget, the Kemper has a volume knob for every Profile.

You don't have to ONLY use the Clean Sense to adjust volumes between clean and distorted Profiles.
If the volume on a distorted Profile is at 12 o'clock and your clean Profile is too soft, turn down the volume of the distorted Profile to compensate.

Imagine the 'Clean Sense' was rather called the "Input Sense"... it will affect any Profile, clean or distorted, because it's an Input setting...also imagine there was no such thing as the Distorted Sense.

Raoul23 · Jun 17th 2013

Thanks Guitartone. Ill leave my clean at 0 and distort at 0 everyone's happy that way

Trazan · Jun 17th 2013

Dist sense only sets amount of distortion. Only adjust if you feel a guitar's output generally results in too much/litte distortion in your rigs.

Clean sense sets level of clean rigs AND input level to the AD converter.

If you, for some reason, need to clip the input stage to level your clean and distorted patches....ya need to lower that Clean sense below clipping territory and level you patches with rig volume instead!

(PS: Distorted profiles really should have a much higher loudness than clean ones. Way too many times I encounter people having dialed distorted sounds by themselves that completely drown in live settings. Distorted sounds are very compressed and usually live in more agressive musical surroundings )

michaelmellner · Jun 19th 2013

I did a system reset last day and found the sense setting at 5 for the clean sense and 0 for the distortion one.

is it normal to have the clean at 5? as far as I remember I always had the KPA set at this clean sense value. soundwise I have cristal clear cleans and the input led sometimes goes to red for some moments only............

luntho · Jun 19th 2013

it's the default setting..think I have mine on 4 or something. if it sounds good....

KoMa · Jun 19th 2013

how does the kpa know if it's a clean tone or a distorted one?

waraba · Jun 19th 2013

Quote from KoMa

how does the kpa know if it's a clean tone or a distorted one?

Hmm maybe a little frequency analysis of the input crossed with level analysis ???

tylerhb · Jun 19th 2013

Quote from KoMa

how does the kpa know if it's a clean tone or a distorted one?

because of the gain setting?

horribleman · Jun 19th 2013

I have my clean sense turned to 4 and distortion sense at -2!

Raoul23 · Jun 19th 2013

Really!!!! If I turn clean to 2 or above I get the red light!

tylerhb · Jun 19th 2013

Quote from Raoul23

Really!!!! If I turn clean to 2 or above I get the red light!

Pretty normal with output PUs. I have mine down to 1.5

Raoul23 · Jun 19th 2013

what guitars are you guys using

tylerhb · Jun 19th 2013

Quote from Raoul23

what guitars are you guys using

I am replacing all my bridge PUs with Häussel Tozz XL. Very high output with very even frequency response. Great for all kinds of metal...

Guitartone · Jun 19th 2013

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what guitars are you guys using

I use Tokai MK11 Vintage PAFs.

My friend came over the other night with his Tokai, he had just put in a Di Marzio Super Distortion in the bridge.
Every single Profile on my KPA clipped solid red...no surprise, it's a HOT pickup.
Took me 2 seconds to turn down Clean Sense to remove the clipping...nothing unusual, that's what Clean Sense is for, different output pickups.

KoMa · Jun 20th 2013

Quote from tylerhb

because of the gain setting?

that's what i was also thinking but I wonder how it works when higher gain settings on profiles don't cause distortion.

Probably one of those magic tricks the kemper camp (ha ha - what a bad one) will keep to themselves

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