here it is with balanced out.
https://soundcloud.com/thumas/kpa-ulta-bal
i'm using high input, i could try low gain input to.
here it is with balanced out.
https://soundcloud.com/thumas/kpa-ulta-bal
i'm using high input, i could try low gain input to.
i'm using preamp out 1v in fx return of a bugera 333xl infinium via mesa rectifier 2x12 v30 and a sm57.
I have done some profiles that I am satisfied with, but lately i'm not getting close enough and this time i having trouble with my peavey rockmaster preamp connected thru a poweramp.
i have done a few attempts on ultra channel and with the setting that i pulled the gain knob the profiling is more accurate but in normal mode is far more of and much uglier sounding.
anyway i have some speedy recorded clips for you to try showing what i mean.
The most ugly one.
Kemper first then real amp.
https://soundcloud.com/thumas/kpa-ulta
Slightly better when gain is pulled (the settings may differ some)
kemper first then real amp.
https://soundcloud.com/thumas/kpa-ulta-pulled
too bad on last one i probably muted different when recorded sorry about that but you should get the "picture"
Thanks!
I got much better after adjust contrast, didn't think about that meny, took it for granted that it should be good at default.
Looks like my display is bad is this common?
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yeah i guess so, my experience with engls are that they are very tight and probably they cut a lot of bass in preamp and then added in power amp to compensate.
Thanks for sharing!
Maybe i should try someday to adjust after that and se how close i could get, should be similar to my amps.
I understand that, was just thinking about some of the characteristics the tube amps seems to share, even if it would not be perfect it probably be closer.
Your idea with white noise seems like a great idea!
For now i'm going with my peavey amp, is close enough and when rehearsal and playing live i guess whats differ would not be a problem, kinda regret a didn't bought my kemper with poweramp included
yeah looks like soild state is the way to go
wonder how much difference it will be between solid state amps, it probably not differ as much as tubes amps.
but when comparing the different tubes amps to the real clips they all share some of the character. it would be nice with an option in monitor settings if you are going to use it with tube amps (some kind of eq engages so the sound would not differ as much) but that's maybe hard to do but would be nice
updated with clips from solid state amp
i actually have peavey t-max bass amp here that is ss, i could try reamp with the kemper in loop of that and see what happends, best i got
mic position is still available here i give it a shot.
don't know anything about the analyzer though
I have a Esi juli@ and a soundcraft mixer, thinking of a upgrade and run spdif.
Evh was worst with kemper, the other amps were less harsh, have to try compensate with mids on monitor eq to get closer to the real amp, hope it works out well.
upladed clips. kemper runningt through mesa and marshall.. same mic placement and profiled used as first take.
see first post (2nd:)
Geraldo7:
I still has the same mic position in my music room so i could run a new reamp with a different amp and se what the difference is.
paults:
When i refine i usually just play a lot of different stuff, some metal chuggs, some open chords some lead lines and i strike pretty hard on the strings, i don't think it matters in this case even if the profile differ a little,
when i did this profile yesterday i was not well setup and had everything in the same room so i was hard to hear how successful i was with the profiling so i just ran the profiling and did one refining and hoped for the best.
It's not too much off if you listen to the real and kemper clip .. one funny thing is that the kemper had more bass, usually when i did profiles before the kemper had less bass.
Also tried a lot of other profiles and they all had the same bad character.
tylerhb:
What you are saying are making sense, probably my evh's poweramp are a bad fit with kemper. But i do have a few other amps and will try a few of them and se the difference, i will post those clips up here to.
Probably a solid state is the best solution, too bad i don't have one to try out here.
Thanks you all for helping me.
I have tried and i can make it sound better, but still far of, can't get the right mids back either.
When you have done this, did you get better results?
All four are the same, did them five minutes before post.
I also tried running in fx loop of another amp earlier today and that also sounded bad:(
i tried to restart kemper with system button hold, also checked monitor level and still have the same results.
And yes i use monitor out.
i did a new profile and did a comparison to help you understand what i am trying to say.
I reamped a di to get a fair comparison. i did all this in a hurry so maybe i could have done the profile a little better, but it's good enough to demonstrate what i mean, we all describe sounds different and what i ask is if anyone have any tips to get closer to the sound that comes direct from kemper.
There maybe differ a little in volume, but it is easy to hear what i mean anyway.
First clips is Real amp
https://soundcloud.com/thumas/real
Kemper Profile
https://soundcloud.com/thumas/kemper
Kemper through evh fx return.
https://soundcloud.com/thumas/kemper-evh
Kemper through evh fx return with no cab selected.
https://soundcloud.com/thumas/kemper-evh-no-cab
Kemper through marshall slx fx return
https://soundcloud.com/thumas/kemper-marshall
Kemper through marshall with no cab seleced.
https://soundcloud.com/thumas/kemper-marshall-nocab
Kemper through mesa mark 3 fx return (gpq off)
https://soundcloud.com/thumas/kemper-mesa
Kemper through mesa with no cab selected (gpq off)
https://soundcloud.com/thumas/kemper-mesa-nocab
Kemper through Peavey T-max fx return (solid state)
https://soundcloud.com/thumas/kemper-peavey-ss
Kemper through Peavey T-max fx return (solid state) no cab selected
https://soundcloud.com/thumas/kemper-peavey-ss-nocab
Need some advice how i could get my kemper to sound better when connected through fx loop in my tube amps.
When i do a profile of my amp, in this case evh 5150 i'm very happy with the result of the profile.
If i use monitor out and connect it in fx return the sound is far off the original sound (i have turned cab off in monitor settings)
i even tried a cab from a profile with no cab in it, and the result is better (less harsh) i have tried all cabs in my kemper and i doesn't matter which cab i choose, the real amp sound much more open.
anyone with similar feeling and know some tricks to get it closer?
i have also tried adjust with monitor eq but still far off.
i guess i could use all other eq's in kemper but feeling it should not be needed. i do understand that this isn't the main purpose of the kemper, but have read alot of user that are happy when used in this way to.
i was kind of happy at first but after comparing i feel a little sad
sounds great man.