Posts by OhG

We play this song in my cover band. Honestly, those two instances where he uses the ray gun in the Rebel Yell solo happen so fast, it's probably not worth the attention you're putting into it. If you're playing covers, then like the rest of us, you're probably playing to a room full of a couple hundred drunks and only 1-2 of them (most likely musicians) would even notice if you nailed the ray gun part.

In my band, we play to tracks and I just have Steve's actual ray gun sampled and it pops in at the right time. But if you want another option that still sounds cool, just take your pick and scrape the edge of the pick back and forth really fast on the high E, B & G strings moving from the bridge toward the neck. Not quite the ray gun effect, but still sounds cool.

Thanks for all the help guys. I've re-done my rigs to have all distortion and clean sense set to zero, and then just rebalanced the gains and volumes as needed. Took a little work, but at least now everything is set up right. I created the 2 input presets that I needed and everything now works as I'd hoped. It was worth it in the end.

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Dude - TBH with you I get your confusion as I have never really understood Distortion and clean sense - I probably could if I bothered to read about it, but...and here's my point....do you really need to adjust it?

I have never touched mine in 9 years. TBH I tend to use different guitars for different songs and so I have the rigs set up for those. For example, I use a Les Paul and a White Falcon. I have a performance set up for the Gibson and one of the Gretsch, but that also includes other changes to those songs.

In my other bands, my backup guitars are so similar its not needed. So only really if you switch between a single coil and humbucker equipped would it really show up....perhaps my bands are too one dimensional

If I broke a string, I would switch performances OR I would put up with the slight mismatch for a set. For me, it would not be worth having 4 performances to cross cover any issues....does that make ( distortion) sense?

In my mind its an over engineered solution ( one of the rare cases in the Kemper). I would just really think about if you need to re-set everything for that rare occurance..

Just my opinion...

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Yeah, for me, I either need this distortion sense thing to be set up the right way, or I need to duplicate all of my performances/rigs and then adjust them for my 2nd guitar. I'm one of the rare breeds that only carry 2 guitars to gigs. For the longest time, I was only carrying one. But I need a backup given the nature of our shows (weddings and events). I'm using a Guthrie Govan Signature Charvel as my main, and my second is a Suhr Custom Classic S Antique with pickups that aren't as hot as the Guthrie. So if I break a string on the Guthrie, I need to be able to switch to the Suhr and have it be pretty close to the Guthrie in terms of the gains. So the only way for me to do that is either getting the DS fixed, or setting up an entirely new set of performances. I feel like the DS is the best option and will be more efficient in the end because if going forward, I want to make a change to one of my rigs' effects or whatever, I'll only need to make it in one as opposed to both sets of performances if I don't use the DS.

Cool. Thanks guys. I'll now begin an hour-long episode of cursing the previous owner of this Kemper while I reset the DS, gains and rig volumes. But at least going forward I'll have the unit set up the way it should be for multiple guitars. Appreciate the help!

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Perhaps you are focusing on the CS and DS too much? I pretty much set it and forget it. I want the different behavior of each guitar to come through on its own. I also am not interested in tweaking these params during a gig. Focusing on this is diminshing returns for me and it has zero issues that I care about.

That might work for you. I wish I was in that boat. But the feature is there for a reason. I need my guitars to have close to the same output/input going into the Kemper. I still get the different sound from the guitars. But if I'm playing my main guitar and I break a string, if I go to my backup and it has a lower output, the song isn't going to sound the way it's supposed to and the guitar isn't going to respond the way I'd want it to for that song.

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If someone messed with DS AND the gain on each rig.....then yeah, you've got some work to do. But only once. Whether or not you need to mess with the gain on each rig will depend on what happens when you set DS for the new guitar. If that's no good (and differing DS values per-rig, it sounds like it won't be)....you know what's next.

Ain't no way they change how DS functions. That's been the same from the very beginning. Besides - even though it wasn't you, the problem sounds like operator error.

Right. That's why I'm saying, I get how it works. My question now is, for the DS values, if I increase them to bring them back to zero, I'm assuming I'll then need to go into my gain for that rig and turn it down a bit to get the overall sound/gain back to where it was before I turned up the DS levels, correct? Similarly, with the clean sense changes, if I turn those up or down, then I'll need to adjust the rig volume in the other direction to get everything back to the same overall volume as before, correct?

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Think of the Dist sense not in terms of individual rigs, but as a "preset for certain guitar".

Don't change it for the individual rigs. Instead, lock the input section, and save the input section with its dist sense as e.g. "Stratocater". Forget the individual rigs.

Right. I understand the concept. I was just hoping it'd function differently due to the fact that I've got a bunch of rigs with different DS values. This is how I inherited them back when I got my first Kemper and I've just left them that way the whole time. So now when I'm adding in a new guitar, I have to go back through all of them, level them to zero, but then if I'm turning up the distortion sense, I'm assuming that means I'll need to turn down the actual gain on the rig a little bit, correct?

Then for the clean sense, if I turn those up, I'll need to turn the rig volume down to bring those back to the "loudness" level that they're at now, correct?

Then after I do those two things, I can use DS the way it was intended. Grab my new guitar with lower output pickups, go to the input menu, lock it, boost the DS value as needed and save as a separate input.

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I'm not sure I understand your complaint.

When you change distortion sense in the input menu - it does change the value for all rigs.

Correct. What I'm saying is, it just sets them all TO the same value, rather than increasing them equally by the same amount.

For example, let's say I have distortion sense on one rig set to -5.0 and another rig set to -1.0. If I turn the distortion sense from -5.0 up by an amount of 2, now that rig is set to -3.0. What I'd want is for the other rig that is currently at -1.0, to then be turned up by the same amount (2), resulting in it going from -1.0 to +1.0. But instead of turning each rig up by the same amount, all distortion sense does is turn them TO the same amount. So in this case, the rig that was at -1.0 isn't turned up by 2. It'd actually be turned DOWN by 1 so that it's at the same -3.0 level as the other rig.

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You should set up you 20 rigs with 1 guitar and have all of them with the same clean sense and distortion sense value (use amp gain and volume to compensate), then save the input preset for that guitar. Now you pick up your 2nd guitar on a reference rig and adjust clean and distortion sense 'till it feels and sounds right (keep in mind that different guitars are supposed to sound different, also what the gain goes). Save the new input setting under a different name for your 2nd guitar. Done

Ok. So that's basically what I found from my earlier post. I'd have to go in and readjust all of my existing rigs. Pain. It would have been much more convenient if this feature would just increase all distortion sense levels in proportion across the board rather than just turning them all to the same number. But thanks for the help guys. At least now I understand how the feature works.

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This. You need to set your all your rigs with the same input settings (=same guitar) and then make a different input setting for a different guitar. It work like a charm here with 8 different guitars. Input settings are not the right place to compensate for different rigs: tone stack and amp settings are there for.

Okay, so now I'm just confused. Right now, my Kemper is set up for 1 guitar using about 20 different rigs in my performances. Some of those rigs have different distortion sense and clean sense settings. How do I get it set up so that if I grab my 2nd guitar that has lower output pickups, I can plug that one in and have the gains in all my performances increase by the same amounts (about 3-4) so that the rigs have roughly the same gain regardless of what guitar I'm using?

Will creating an input preset fix this? Or do I need to go through all 20 of my rigs first and set all of those distortion and clean sense settings to zero? If I have to do this, then that means I've also go to adjust the volumes for those rigs as well.

Wow. The more I learn about Distortion Sense, the more useless it appears. So the answer to my question above about increasing distortion sense by 3 and then turning the gain down by 3, is a no. They aren't the same. So that makes the process even more of a PITA.

What also makes this feature 100% useless is if I do lock the input section and change my distortion sense to zero for example, it also then locks the clean sense across the board for all my clean tones as well. So for anyone like me who has different rigs with different clean or distortion sense values, if you get a 2nd guitar with lower output pickups, you're basically screwed and have to adjust EVERY rig individually.

1000% completely useless feature.

If I were to increase distortion sense by 3.0 but then turn the rig's gain down by 3.0, would that offset each other and make the rig's gain level basically the same as before I made any changes?

I think I figured it out, and if this is how it works, it's pretty stupid.

If I lock the input section and turn the distortion sense from -3.0 to 0.0, it doesn't increase all other rigs' gain by 3, it simply brings all other rigs to 0.0, or whatever number I turn the knob to. So if I already have rigs that have various input sense levels, distortion sense is completely useless. The Kemper video made it sound like it'd boost all rigs by the same amount. But that's not the case. It sets all rigs to the same level.

I understand the point of distortion sense; basically to compensate for a guitar with lower output and bring it's gain up. But I can't get it to work.

In one rig, my distortion sense is set to -3.0, and in another, it's set to 0.0. I've got all my rigs set for one specific guitar. I just got a new one with lower output and I want to boost the gain of all my rigs by about 3.0. So I press the Input button, go to Distortion Sense, turn the distortion sense from -3.0 up to 0.0. I also then click on the "lock" button while the Distortion Sense screen is still shown. I then exit this rig and go to the other, and it's still set to 0.0 as opposed to boosting that one by 3. I'm doing the steps EXACTLY the way they are instructed in the Kemper Input Section video tutorial on YouTube and it's not changing globally.

I also thought, maybe I'm supposed to hit the "lock" button BEFORE I make any changes. So I tried locking first and then turning up the distortion sense. Again, I go to the rig that was originally set to 0.0, and it's still at 0.0.

What am I doing wrong? I want to boost ALL rigs by 3.0. I thought this would be a simple global feature. But it's anything but that so far.

I was able to update using a USB stick instead of the cable. Hoping it's just a bad cable rather than something wrong with the USB port on the Kemper.

I just bought a used (but mint condition) Kemper Stage. It currently has firmware version 9.0.8.46641 and I'm trying to update it to the most current version. I'm connected directly from the Stage to my Mac using a USB cable. This is the same way I connect and update my other Kemper and it works perfectly. In Rig Manager, it asks me if I want to update and I select yes, it begins to download the file and then when it's done, it does nothing.

I've always used the Rig Volume knob on the front to adjust the volumes of each of my rigs to make sure they're the same level. I just noticed in the manual that it says it's best to NOT use the Rig Volume for this purpose and to use the Amp Volume parameter instead. Can anyone explain why? I'm wondering if it's worth it for me to go through all my rigs and set the rig volume back to zero and adjust them using Amp Volume, but I'm not sure what the advantage would be. Also, if I were to do this, are these 2 volumes 1:1? Meaning, if I turn the Rig Volume down by 1.5, I can then just turn the Amp Volume up by 1.5 and it'll get the rig back to the same volume?

Yeah, I've seen all of his videos. Justin is a great guitarist. I'm not necessarily playing this song, it's just the type of effect I'm looking for and I don't totally understand whether or not I should be checking certain boxes in effects that have to do with formants, pure tuning, etc.

Curious as to what specific effects and settings you all would suggest using for creating an octave below effect, for single note riffs (no chords). Intro to "So What" by P!nk for example. I can't quite find the right settings to get it to sound nice and tight and clear like the beginning of that song. So I'm just wondering if I'm missing something basic.

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I'm going to be selling either my toaster or rackmount Kemper in order to buy a Stage model. Before I sell it, are there any steps I should take to remove personal info from it? Do I need to change any settings on the Kemper so that I'm not associated with it anymore and the new buyer will be able to register it as their own? Do I need to reset it to factory settings? If I do that, will it revert all the way back to the operating system that was on it when I first got it 6 years ago?