I've now put a video on page 1 of this thread which is basically an explanation for people who are not sure how to get started with wifi on legacy toasters and racks.
Thanks for all the input on this thread!
Posts by Allenhuish
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Ok i will try That.
But i would prefer Connection to the Kemper directly
That will work too. I might try it later.
I would think that for most people they would want to connect to home wifi, but if you are out on a gig then you need the direct connection mode that you are saying.
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did you have to configure the vonets device or just plug it into the kemper and make a wifi connection from the ipad with the default password?
I can't remember if that would have worked, but I followed the pretty simple instructions that came with it.
The way I have configured it is to have the vonets bridge into my normal home wifi network. So I had to tell it my wifi password etc. Once that is done any time you power it up it connects to my home network. The benefit is that I don't have to switch network on my ipad.
Just fire up the app and there is the kemper! Simples.
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I have also just tried an old device that I had laying around - Netgear WNCE2001
It does work, but not reliably. The Kemper app crashes when I change rigs.
It's so old that they don't even sell it any more, but just in case anyone has one laying around I thought it would be useful to share the info.
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Maybe you could buy a separate power supply (i am thinking about that). and you could eventually power the wifi devicee with PoE https://www.omg.de/ubiquiti-ne…u-usb-ins-3af-usb/a-14504
Wow. That's a useful product if we can't find a good wifi device that powers from poe directly.
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The Tenda Tef1105P-4-63W did not power my remote. maybe it supports only PoE mode B.
Now i ordered a TP-Link TL-SG1005P as it works for nottoohigh .
The Mikrotik mAP lite is really tiny, but after two hours trying to set it up i decided to send it back.i now ordered the usb powered device https://amzn.to/3gSp3CA that works for Allenhuish . I hope configuring will be easyer with this one.
Well I'm sorry to say that after about an hour I also gave up trying to get the mikrotik wifi gadget to work. It was very tiny, but I could not even get into it to start configuring it. I had a look on a few forums and it seems that this problem is fairly common. It's a shame because it is very small and runs off POE power so it would have been perfect.
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The Tenda Tef1105P-4-63W did not power my remote. maybe it supports only PoE mode B.
Now i ordered a TP-Link TL-SG1005P as it works for nottoohigh .
The Mikrotik mAP lite is really tiny, but after two hours trying to set it up i decided to send it back.i now ordered the usb powered device https://amzn.to/3gSp3CA that works for Allenhuish . I hope configuring will be easyer with this one.
Thanks for the feedback.
Well I also had a bad experience with the TEF1105P and I'm sending mine back too. Would not power the remote.
I have bought a Mikrotik MAP lite, but have not set it up yet because I really want to run it on POE power and the poe router does not work.
I will update the main thread when I get a chance with this feedback.
I am holding off the tp-link because I would prefer the power supply on the tenda (the tenda uses a kettle mains cable like the kemper so I can get an adapter to power both) the tp-link uses a wall wart adapter which requires a socket (more space used up in the back of the kemper)
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Each cable is 30cms, but there's only about 25cms that are usable. You could use a 1 metre USB extension cable and that would fix it.
How about this one on Amazon?
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I have just received a parcel from amazon and this device works perfectly and is powered by USB.
I've had it running for a couple of hours powered by the Kemper and works perfectly. Can work 2 different ways: will add your kemper to your home/studio wifi network or create it's own network if you're on a gig. This solution won't work with a remote, but otherwise it looks like the neatest and cheapest thing.
There are a few different versions, but this one was the cheapest that I found on ebay UK, just under £20.
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Sorry, I haven't tried it yet. I was holding off as there is a rumour that the kemper team are going to test out a few different options. The thing I'm hoping for is powering everything from USB on the kemper, but to be honest I don't think it will happen.
However, (no guarantees), I'm pretty good with networking etc. and I have a very high expectation that it would work.Here is a cheaper option for powering POE through a router for only £25And for wireless this is £30 and really tinyThe wifi access point is incredibly small and needs no power other than from the other box.At the moment, this looks like the most efficient/cheapest setup with only one power supply needed, plus uses the remote and wifi.The only thing that would be better is if the kemper crew can find something that works with USB power from the kemper, but it seems unlikely to me.
Also, you only need both of those devices if you want to use the remote and the ipad app at the same time.
EDIT: I HAVE TESTED BOTH OF THESE DEVICES NOW AND THEY DO NOT WORK WITH THE KEMPER (although in theory they should). If you get them to work just post here please.
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I have started a thread here for people to share which devices work and to give some explanation.
What is needed to add wireless to legacy Toasters/Racks for wireless app
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Ok it’s official this is doing my head in.
Vintage White toaster and Kemper remote.
I was hoping for a more elegant solution then a router and Poe injector with the need for two power supplies.
Doesn’t seem likely, so I said to myself suck it up and just go with the router and injector.
Kemper says it supports IEEE-Standard 802.3af-2003 and 802.3at-2009 Mode A.
But all he routers I’m looking at say they support IEEE 802.11n/g/b.
I no nothing about this crap, can I use a router that supports IEEE 802.11n/g/b ?I think I can help.
There are loads of standards with different numbers.
802.11 (plus some letters) are all standards for wireless networking. I won't go into it here, but unless you have a strange situation you probably don't really care what version of 802.11 you get as long as the device is reasonably modern.
802.3 (plus some letters) are all standards for how power (electrical) is sent over network wires.
So 802.11 is for the ipad to connect to the kemper via wifi
802.3 is to power the remote.
To confuse things slightly some 802.11 devices can be powered by 802.3
If you don't have a remote don't worry about the 802.3 stuff.
Allen
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That needs to be looked at the -
- 24V PoE in and out or power in via included PSU
Not just a pass through then that seems to plague other devices for our needs Allenhuish thoughts?
I have tried to understand this and do some research, but basically 'passthrough' is not going to work.
Firstly, where is the passthrough coming from? The only useful place is the kemper itself. It seems that it will not supply enough power to power both the remote and a wireless access point. I have looked at the power requirements of the access points and it is a few watts and then they pass the remainder on to the remote.
If you buy a switch/router with poe output then this would not be called passthrough, it is just output.
The most viable option for remote and wifi is a switch (with a separate power supply) which then powers a wifi access point over poe.
If you do not have a remote then a wifi access point with a power supply is the easiest/simplest. In this case, I think that there is a very small chance that there exists a product that will work on power from the kemper, but I think it would have to be trial and error as the kemper does not supply 802.3 power (which is one of the industry standards)
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I understand that a toaster/rack + remote + app, would need:
- 3 x UTP ethernet CAT5e cables- 1 x WiFi router
- 1 powered PoE or PoE+ Switch or injector. Kemper PoE will not provide power.
IEEE 802.3af-2003 (PoE) or 802.3at-2009 mode A. (PoE+)@G String what is the minimum power needed for the Remote? I’ve found injectors/switches from 12W+ per port
Could any of these work?
1. Switch TP-Link TL-SG1005P (100/1000 15W ports)https://www.tp-link.com/us/bus…anaged-switch/tl-sg1005p/
2. Injector TRENDnet TPE-147GI 65W 4-Port Gigabit PoE+
https://www.trendnet.com/produ…oeplus-injector-TPE-147GI3. NetGear GS305P
Good suggestions/comments.
Can I add the following comments:
1. It is in the manual that ...and these standards include the power requirement. So if it follows the standard, it has enough power.
Supported are IEEE standard 802.3af-2003 as well as 802.3at-2009 mode A.
2. Technically, you don't need a 'router', you only need a 'switch' or a wifi 'access point'. A router will work, but tends to be more expensive and bigger.
3. An injector is not really necessary if your switch supports sending PoE which both of your suggestions do.
4. By having a switch that feeds poe out it means that you can get a poe powered wifi access point and you will only need one power supply.
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Can someone ELI5 how exactly the poe injector works? I currently have my Rack plugged into my normal home router (just a crappy Spectrum one, I’ll buy a new one to put in my rack case once I figure out how it all works) and I also my remote plugged into another port on the same router, with no luck.
I assume the router I’m using does not have poe because the remote is not turning on. If I buy a poe injector, do I just plug that somewhere in the Ethernet chain from my router to my remote (and plug the injector into the wall)?
Essentially: Router > Injector > Remote?exactly right
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the devil is in the details. The Profiler does not send PoE but the Remote "can" be powered over PoE with a dedicated PoE injector. As soon as a PoE injector is detected the Remote will switch to a different internal power supply that supports the PoE protocol. If no PoE injector is detected the Remote will use the power supply that responds to the protocol that the Profiler is using.
Thank you very much for the clarification.
Which standard of PoE does the remote use? 802.3af or 802.3at or passive? and what is the power requirement?
Thank you
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I just ordered a TP-Link TL-WR902AC. Will arrive on Wednesday hopefully and then I can tell a little bit about it, if anyone is interested.
in theory it should be possible to use it as a wifi-bridge in my home Network and as a standalone Router on Stage.Does anyone know how the specs of the USB-Ports of the profiler look like? Standard 0,5A/5V?
Interesting to hear how you get on.
Previous threads on charging of mobile phones on this forum have been answered by kemper saying that it is not recommended to power anything from the usb port on the kemper. Which is a shame in this situation.
If you don't have a remote then a solution like the tp-link makes sense.
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I know this may seem really lame, but why couldn't we just put a USB WiFi dongle in the back of the toaster?
Not lame - good idea, but all of the threads on this topic so far basically agree that it is impossible because kemper would have to write a driver to go inside the kemper to talk to it. i.e. no chance of that happening.
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Edit: I bought one of these, but I could not get it to work. I don't recommend it.
I've had a think and you could use a powered switch (same as a router and cheaper) like this one:
It looks like it will fit in the back of the toaster, but requires a mains supply
£30 on Amazon uk
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as it turns out it is not possible to power a router from the ethernet port of the Profiler because we are not supporting the PoE protocol at the ethernet port of the Profiler. You need a Poe switch to accomplish a setup that involves a Profiler, a Remote and a router.
Thank you very much for your comment, but it is still not 100% clear. The remote is powered by POE that is coming from the ethernet port of the profiler (your documentation implies that), but you say that PoE is not supported by the kemper.
I think you are saying that you don't 'support' it. In other words, it works, but you will not be responsible for anything that may or may not go wrong. Is that right?
Can you please say exactly what type of PoE that the remote requires. You have already stated Mode A which gives us the wires which are used. Can you also please state the voltage requirements and if any 802.3 type requirements exist. This information would then help identify the routers which can be used.
If I can work all this out I will be publishing a youtube video with detailed instructions to help the community.
Thanks, Allen
