Posts by exilech

i already made a factory reset after only a few days because with all the knob turning i messed it up. The factory settings are already very usefull and i learned to tweak very gently. Make an export if some rigs are already with the device. Good luck and have fun

did you perform a rig export and a factory reset?

you can't compare a device with another device. Kemper has something many don't - that is a community, rig sharing and professional profiling. As long this goes, the kpa goes. If the community ceases, so will maybe the device. And if you change gear too often, like line6, you cant establish a broad community. I think they do it right and gave enough room for development. It already makes more than i can use, so i do hope to get some usability updates (better undo control as example) but i yet have to master it.

Thanks db db cooper for the detailed how to.

I dind't progress that much as i'm still looking for some mics to borrow.

I try a sennheiser MD409 and a shure sm57 close up and sum together with two small diaphragm mics like AKG C451B or alike positioned a few feet away from the amp and then do a profiling.

The other approach you describe is definitely worth trying but will require that i take my kemper to the studio at home. We have some stuff coming up and my kemper is savely installed in a heavy rack. Or do you mean the amp only as in the amp i want to profile? If yes, can i hook up any amp speaker out to a DI?

Quote from DonPetersen

if you want something better than 'amp in the room', put the PROFILER in stereo through a good monitoring system (Studio monitors, wedges, IEM) and add a 1x12 cabinet, preferrably driven by the POWERHEADs internal power amp.

Now you can take advantage of the full profiled sound including cabinet, speaker, mic, EQ etc. for FOH/reheasal room PA/FRFR and the extra impact a 12" speaker delivers, which is what many of us guitar players are used to.

Best of both worlds.

I have the KPA going straight to the FOH with the main outs in stereo and have a 2x12 cab as my own guitar monitor driven by the KPA Poweramp.

What i'm looking for seems the longer i try to understand the physics of audio, be a bit of a utopia and maybe not even band-context friendly, but still, the "amp-in-the-room" feeling for me, is the 4x12 cab i hear when standing a few feet away from the cab, which sounds huge, and have that as a cab profile or studio profile come out of the PA to the audience.

do you hear the noise on every output? And what kind of noise is it?

Quote from nicktheripper

for some odd reason the non merged profiles sound amazing when I turn the cabinet off

If you are running a regular cab through power amp, you won't be hearing any cab at all. The cab button on the KPA front has no influence on mointor if the cab is turned off. As standard setting, as i recall, the monitor has cab turned off. There is another discussion going on in the forum about the process of merged, direct or studio profiles and whether or not the algorithm in the Kemper can properly detect the cab portion of the signal.

However, i had the same situation. When i started a few weeks ago with the KPA, i found many profiles sound very similar but apparently that was due to the coloring of the cab i used (Marshall 2x12).

Something else you should bear in mind: if you create profiles you like through the cab, it is not guaranteed to work with the band context when running the KPA over the PA. I had to start over.

I run the KPA from main out direct to the FOH and have all the EQ set at 0. I then search good profiles to work with over the PA. Afterwards i turn up the monitor (my guitar cab) and set the output eq for the monitor in a way it also sounds good out of my cab. If i ever try to make a good sounding profile, as until now, i was more successful to create a PA compatible profile.

Hope this helps.

what about some delay? I once got something like a fast kill switch using a delay. It was by accident though.

Wow Chris Duncan that is some serious insights.

I can relate to most of what you say. Especially about the moving air - i don't have to get at 105db to feel it, but i'm still using guitar cabs as monitor, and their sound is apparently flat compared to the one from the PA.

We have a mixer who sets up our FOH and PA (we are using a Behringer X32) in the bandroom and we almost always take that thing with us. Don't get me wrong i really like the KPA sound over the PA (i couldn't yet agree on the EQ from FOH with our mixer but that would be another topic)

About the sound of my marshall 4x12 - I've played that cap in many different settings and it just sounds huge - i do understand the bouncing, but there is something about well broken in 4x12 cab that even paul gilbert can't pull of out of FOH. It just sounds.....i don't know how better to describe...plastique - And from what I understood about the IRs, the thing about the sound losing oompf makes sense.

I was just wondering if i could get that 3-dimensional sound out of FOH from kemper if i look for a well balanced room (our practice room as been measured and we built some special stuff to make it "soundfriendly") and make a profile out of it that somehow combines oompf from close up mics with some 3d sound from an "away" point of hearing from the amp aka "in the room" feeling. And to make that clear, i'm not talking about reverb. I tested reverb today, its something else that makes this cab sound huge.

I'll check if i have a flat condenser mic somewhere and try this alone and in sum with one or 2 on the cone in front of the speaker.

Thanks for the input guys, really appreciated.

Thanks a lot Monkey_Man. With your input on taxonomy and the link you shared i found this article:

https://www.sweetwater.com/ins…ic-placement-guitar-amps/

So tonight will be reverb testing to get the "room" feeling from the PA vs. the original tube amp with the perfect-tasted distance to the cab.

Much appreciated and this helped me to learn something while avoiding pointless hours with mic positioning - i might still experiment a little to get a better understanding with experience.

Thanks for your input guys.

Usually i don't add reverb to profiles, since we have our mixer who adds reverb for each channel depending on the gig location. So i only add delay.

Are you talking about reverb meaning i create a profile in a traditional way (mic direct somewhere close to the speaker) and add reverb afterwards to recreate this feeling?

I've been in a no reverb state for years now so i might adress this room feeling despite of what our mixer likes.

Monkey_Man, did you try this already? or why do you think i get a thinner and oomph lacking profile?

dear kpa forum users

I'm venturing into profiling, since i find it easier to dial in a tone on my tube amps than browsing endlessly. And a profile is done quickly.

Has one of you tried to profile the amp with the "room" feeling? E.g. if i get back a few steps from my 4x12 1960A Cab, it sounds awesome. But where the mic usually is, and also in all the fotos of the pro-profilers, it sounds much thinner. why not get back a little for the capturing? I'm gona try this out but i have not much knowhow of mics.

Is there a reason that this doesn't make sense or has anyone an idea on what mics i coukd use for that?

Thanks a lot

sometimes i find it usefull to get the direct mix into the sound. It really makes a nice combination with lead tones, but also less forgiving.

I notice that direct mix generally isn't something thats mentioned a lot. Is there any reason?

Quote from Il_Falco

is it possible to use a POE then lead that to an adapter that can fit in a D-slot so we can rack it?

something like this

I don't see why not, although it remains to be tested since they only have a short list of successfully tested devices. But usually PoE is PoE. You can get some small PoE switches from industrial systems like this one: https://www.westermo.com/products/ethernet-switches/poe - i suggest unmanaged devices for ease of use. If you want to install and forget about it, i would not go for a cheap home use poe switch.

So far, i didn't have any troubles with the kemper or the remote when rig manager is on. Occasionally, rig manager seems to loose the connection to the profiler - so i have to restart the rig manager.

The KPA is a genius piece of gear - that can't be said from the rig manager. Mr. CKemper should really hire a seasoned company with some UX skills to get a replacement of this software.

I also use the Kemper live only and some minor recording of live sound. I got the powered rack to be more flexible if i need it. And now, i drive a 2x12 or 4x12 cab to "move some air" and have the guitar amp feeling on stage.

I don't use in ear monitoring because i feel shut off from the rest of the band and i don't mix my monitor signal into the rest of the mix cause it can get mushy on stage some times and then i can control my own monitor with the cab better. i do however love the direct signal to FOH.

just my 2 cents. Buying something does not make you the owner. Especially digital goods are usually just usage license you purchase. Find a profiler you like and join that community as well. You might even have some wishes heard.

When watching videos of profiles etc. the sound is usually full (either bridge or neck) - when i play around for fun i use these full profiles as well - the problem is, for me, its no band context friendly.

I found a lot of guitar players, when adjusting the amp to a "nice" tone is way too bassy for a band context. I don't own a kemper for long, so there may be better solutions, but so far, i managed with increasing definition to get the nice sounding profile into a band context.

Also, profiles i use with my strat-sound, are not always compatible with humbucker guitars - e.g. i have a nice percussive tone for my neck on the strat but its way too brite on my LP sound bridge. Especially when using clean sounds.,

do you use the full monitor sound from your band on the yammy or just your guitar? I'm looking for a good monitor wedge with good combo of band monitor but also great translation of the guitar sound. I'm undecided where to go. I'm experimenting with di/merged profiles with IRs similar to my 2x12 guitar cab as well to keep the amp feeling alive. Would be amazing to move the air but also have the band on the monitor. (Hello utopia) IEM is not for me.

Cheers

I hear you, i'm currently on the same path and i can't find reliable info, but i think since this is quite "new" - Firmware-wise - there might be some updates available. I wrote to some of the profilers if there is a possibility to make a DI/Merged Pack or something since a few are more and more going into IR production.

On the other hand, i also read that DI boxes tend to color the tone quite a bit, so you would move away a little bit from the philosophy of creating a digital copy of an amp.

Should we open a new thread in the mentioned third party rig discussion or wait until this one has answers and gets moved?

Cheers

Yes, sometimes i have the effect mix on 0% and with morph dial it in since you cannot activate or deactivate a set of stomps with morphing. Its an amazing feature.