Yes I would say so! If I end up bumping anything eq/wise for a particular band practice or live setting, it's definitely not the bass. I would say that sometimes they need a bit of a push in the treble side, but they are profiled the way I set up the amp and really loud volume ( I always try to engage the power tubes as much as possible).
Do you ever have any DI/Merged demo files to try?
DIZL V4 profile from updated pack.
Best!
Was this pack just updated?
Speaking of, are all effects included in firmware 7 now?
I like the Uberschall, the Krank Rev 1, Mesa Dual recto, Peavey 6505 and EVH 5150 III for drop stuff.
How are the DIs? Beefy and thick sounding with good low end? I find a lot of profiles seem thin.
Bogner Uberschall Gain demo (guitar only) :
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Drop B?
What’s your best packs for high gain dropped stuff? Typical stuff like Peavey, Mesa, etc.? Though that Bogner does sound good.
I returned mine for similar reasons though I’m a high gain player.
I haven't tried these with a cab but am going to include DI profiles for the next pack released! I would imagine these would still sound great - just a bit more of a raw sound!
Gotcha, is that free update if you buy this pack or will that be an all new pack?
I know these aren't merged profiles, but have you tried them via monitor/amp output direct to a real cab?
Is it a Mesa Thiele Box?
No it’s the 2x12 vertical recto.
Display MoreThat‘s bad. I assume that you did not have a real V30 available for a comparison.
The speakers that we have modeled are more on the brighter side. The Kone features a slightly wider beam in addition, making the Imprint appear even a bit brighter in off-axis angles. This is why we have introduced the Directivity control for the users, to compensate this effect to your liking.
Here are some general rule of thumps:
The Kone/Kabinet is the first solution ever where you can compare the sound of a mic‘ed speaker versus the cab-in-the-room-sound, through the same speaker, by the simple press of a button, without a pause.
These sounds are very different, in dependence of the gain you play. The more gain, the more difference.
While classic guitar speakers sound more mid ranged, with a natural high end rolloff, the mic‘ed speaker will emphasize the bass (due to the proximity effect) and the high frequencies (in a favorable or nasty way, depending in the listener genre). In total, the mic’ed cabinet tends to have a scooped sound. This has always been like that.
Clean players might not hear too much of a difference.
Mid gain players tend to prefer the Imprints for its cab-in-the-room-sound and hate the high frequency phasyness of mic’ed speakers.
High gain players (Metal, Djent) tend to prefer the mic’ed speakers for its extended low end and the phasyness that creates a signature sound. This is mostly lost by unifying and leveling down with the cab-in-the-room sound. Same happens when you use the PureCabinet feature. We had similar conversations when we introduced PureCabinet.
I have a Mesa v30 here. The real cab just feel and hits harder and has a tight low end. I’m not knocking the kone technology, just the kab itself didn’t work for me. Maybe I’ll throw a pair of kones in a 2x12 or bigger cab one day. With the v30 imprints using DI profiles I just couldn’t get that same sound and feel of the real cab vs. the imprint. Doesn’t mean it’s bad, it’s just not for me. FRFR mode seemed about what I’d expect one to sound like.
Will test these for ya...
All the DI profiles in the individual packs are the same as the full DI set right?
Well I sent my Kabinet back. Just wasn’t happy enough for $500 for my applications of med-high-heavy gain setup. As some have stated above I agree it did feel muffled or blanket over it. I wonder what V30 they modeled after...some certainly are more muffed like the Chinese ones. Listen to UK v30 in a Mesa vs. Orange there’s definitely a difference.
That's a different problem. "not loud enough" is not the same as "doesn't sound good", which is what it seems you're saying.
I mean it's a little of both. Clean/low gain/even medium gains sounds okay. It's the high gain stuff that doesn't sound good to my ears. Mr. Kemper is right that he said FRFR mode is provbably better for high gain stuff and I would agree, but then you lose the amp in the room idea. Hence, why I'll just stick with buying a regular 2x12 v30 cabinet for playing DI profiles in person and headphone studio profiles at night.
This is so incorrect. The 112 I have barely gets off of 2 in my bedroom-size practice space.
I don’t know what 2 is but at -15 to -20 dB or so it’s loud sure, but it’s not tight or deep enough for high gain fast thrash, metal, chugging, etc type playing.
Oh no no, I would not do that. Clearly there is an issue/disparity and CKemper already said many high gain folk prefer FRFR mode. The Kemper is awesome and the Kone is amazing too. I could EQ it to sound great (big bass boost) it just took a bit of thought. guitarguy316 it took me 3 months to get used to the Kemper - it is just so sophisticated and requires knowledge to get the most out of it. It is not a GT-100 with presets!! My guess is that Kemper will do something in a free software update to improve Kone for metal players - Kemper is the Tesla of guitar processors. Be patient.
I’m not doubting the kone technology. It’s just a 1x12 isn’t enough unless playing at small bedroom. Once you go to FRFR route, then you lose the cab in the room feeling/sound so it’s similar to getting a headrush or any other solution.
I can always add some kones to a cab later on but right now I just don’t think the 112 kabinet cab punch above it’s weight. Yes I did tweak in profiles but also within the global output for monitor out to see if I can improve things.
Edit - as a side note, I thought kemper customer service was top notch? It’s been a pain so far to figure out how to ship this back them and that whole process. I know times are crazy right now but I can’t get anyone to call me and it took 3 days after multiple inquiries to get a response.
Hard to tell from the clip but I think this is suffering from loss of low end like all the high gain's I've tried. If you turn off imprints with high gain they are much better with default EQ. I have found if you use the Imprints (e.g V30) to get a decent sound with high gain you have to EQ the crap out of the profile. For example - increase Bass by +3.0, mids +0.5 and Treble +0.5 as a minimum. And thats on top of bass boost! Or is it just me.
Yes I would agree with you as a high gain player. I have my Kabinet here getting boxed back up today. The V30 (which is most commonly used in high gain profiles) is flat and required me to tweak a lot. Overall I also made the mistake of thinking a 1x12 could get a little bit of oomph on the low end.
At the 1:01 or so mark Michael states the run the speaker cable out the monitor output. Having coffee and running late for work so may have misunderstood. I have been running my Kones (in a 2 x 12) using my speaker output. Do I want to use the monitor output for my cab with Kones?
Hope that made sense....
If you're using a Kemper powerhead, you use the speaker output (powered from internal amp).
Our friend Tim, produced this:
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So what was the setup? V30 imprint and DI profile?
I think the Kone sounds fine for its purposes, the 112 factor is just not enough for heavy music imo.
Display MoreYup, that makes sense to me from your point of view as a metal player.
What you call "small" is the proximity effect of the microphones that does not exist with the cab-in-the-room sound.
And "muffled" is the missing "phasyness" that is not happening with cab-in-the-room.
Both effects are evil aspects for low and mid-gain guitarists, but crucial for the signature sound of metal guitarists.
Other 1x12 fullrange solutions are not considered to be weak for metal players, and the Kabinet is in the same ballpark. Tested already in Fullrange mode.
The interesting questions are:
Have you tried the Fullrange mode as well? Might be more suitable for you. (That's why we feature it as well)
Do you own a classic 4x12 cabinet (no Kemper Kones) for a comparison?
CK
FRFR mode as in Kemper Kone ON, Imprints OFF? Yes I have played into a 2x12 EVH...sold the 5150 to get the Kemper of course 
I had a Marshall 1960 4x12 before that but didn't own the kemper yet. I think I'm just coming to the conclusion the Kone itself is probably just fine and maybe a great idea to throw those in a 2x12 or 4x12, but a 1x12 just can't give me a enough for heavy rock, metal, or high gain playing where that low-end thump is needed.
