Live sound vs studio, volume ear perception and treble!

This is why you should tweak your gig rigs at gig volume. Google Fletcher-Munson.

An old topic, relevant as ever:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fletcher%E2%80%93Munson_curves

A read-thru gives you all the answers.

Sorry I was late posting. Had this topic window open for too long.
Cheers burningyen!

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This is why you should tweak your gig rigs at gig volume. Google Fletcher-Munson.

That's right. My best sounding "Home-Rigs" sound harsh at live-level.
To avoid this (tweaking at gig volume level) it should be possible to add the studio-EQ in one slot (f.e. X-Slot) to switch a frequency-correction for live-use of the current profile.
Are there any value-recommendations for this Studio-EQ-Application ?

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That's right. My best sounding "Home-Rigs" sound harsh at live-level.
To avoid this (tweaking at gig volume level) it should be possible to add the studio-EQ in one slot (f.e. X-Slot) to switch a frequency-correction for live-use of the current profile.
Are there any value-recommendations for this Studio-EQ-Application ?

Since the human hearing curve varies with volume, there is no fixed EQ setting that would work, unless it is set to compensate for two specific volumes. And, if someone has come up with a setting for their two volume levels (with their specific monitor), it would not work for you unless you used the exact same volume settings with the same kind of monitor.

In any case, the EQ in the output section might serve you better. You can save the preset and free up a stomp/FX slot!

Cheers,
Sam

O.k. sambrox,

can you give a recommendation for this "4-band-Output-EQ" to set (as a starting point) ?

Well, there are two ways of going about it. Either boosting the mids, or attenuating the lows and highs, as compensation for the Fletcher-Munson effect. How much depends on many factors; your gigging volume, your speaker(s), the profile you're using and your ears! Sorry, but there aren't really any shortcuts, you'll have to just roll your sleeves up and dig in

Cheers,
Sam

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Well, there are two ways of going about it. Either boosting the mids, or attenuating the lows and highs, as compensation for the Fletcher-Munson effect. How much depends on many factors; your gigging volume, your speaker(s), the profile you're using and your ears! Sorry, but there aren't really any shortcuts, you'll have to just roll your sleeves up and dig in

Cheers,
Sam

+1. I think there's no EQ preconception necessary. Just a little 'use your ears'. Fletcher-Munson curves don't apply to all people the same amount BTW.

Thanks a lot,

so if I got it right, it could be necessary to either
- make different output-presets for gig-/studio-/home-levels (maybe even of each profile)
or
- make different EQ-Settings for gig-/studio-/home-levels for each rig
and organise it in different Performances
and all this
for different speaker applications (I'm using FRFR-Speakers and also sometimes a Guitar Box)

The oath of possibilities !

I now know the reason why there is no Rig-Number-Limitation

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I now know the reason why there is no Rig-Number-Limitation

Hahaha!

Cheers,
Sam

I suggest setting your rigs to sound great to you, at the volume you will use them on stage. When you do this, make sure your cabinet is placed in exactly the same location, compared to where you will be standing when you use it.

If you have to turn down a little bit at a gig, they'll still sound pretty good. If you ever have to turn them up a little bit, they'll sound even better:)

Yeah, do not let yourself go crazy after all the potential combinations! The room will make your rig sound differently nevertheless, so I'd take it easy and just think of it as a way to make the sound more pleasant

If the FM curve is different for each individual, this also means you won't be able to sound good to every member in your audience... apart from the obvious fact that people will hear differently depending on where they are placed in the room...
... Really, it's not something you can let yourself be caught into

Agreed, get it to sound good to you, at your playing volume, and you will play your best

Agreed !!
So I will post a new forum-thread in "feature requests": "Interface between KPA and User-/Audience-brains"

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Agreed !!
So I will post a new forum-thread in "feature requests": "Interface between KPA and User-/Audience-brains"

That would be, eh, innovative!