tone issue with high master volume

    hey guys! been a kemper user for a few months now and i love it. ive came across a recent issue and was hoping someone could help.


    I have a few different amps that i play in my room, at around a 2.5 master volume. i have everything set how i like and really like the tone etc (using a mesa stiletto among a few others). Now when i bring this to practice with a full band, obviously i run the master volume way up, to about a 7. The same tones are now sounding extremely thin and just completely lost the punch that i was hearing in my room at low volume. what am i doing wrong here?

    so theres no i can do? i used an orange th30 before the kemper and it sounded perfect when i needed to crank it up at high volumes. this would make the kemper almost useless to me as i got it to play live with

    Quote from nyynks212

    so theres no i can do? i used an orange th30 before the kemper and it sounded perfect when i needed to crank it up at high volumes. this would make the kemper almost useless to me as i got it to play live with


    Did you already deal with the Fletcher- Munson curves? Do you understand the concept behind it and its implications on dialing in your tone?

    Long story short, always set your tones at gig volume. It makes a HUGE difference. And as Ingolf mentioned, if you want to really understand why, you'll need to read up on Fletcher-Munson.

    All I can say is 'holy poop' - at our gigs and practice, I rarely go over 2.2 master volume, sometimes less on smaller stages. If you have to crank it up to or past 7, I don't even want to imagine how much damage you are doing to your ears.

    Quote from flyingheelhook

    All I can say is 'holy poop' - at our gigs and practice, I rarely go over 2.2 master volume, sometimes less on smaller stages. If you have to crank it up to or past 7, I don't even want to imagine how much damage you are doing to your ears.


    haha i'd never be able to hear anything over the drums at that volume, we're not a heavy band by any means but we hit hard.

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    i did try messing with the bass/med/treble at our practice but it still sounded like garbage. im almost wondering if it's just a bad cab im using so i can try a different one next time

    I remember back in the good old days seeing acts like Black Sabbath, Blue Oyster Cult, Ozzy Osbourne's Blizzard of Oz, Judas Priest, heck, even Rush where they would crank the sound up so loud I would leave the show with my ears ringing for days... the early 80's were not good for my ears. LOL!


    These days you see a lot of 'older' bands use plexiglass shields between the musicians but I am not clear on how effective that really is. I suppose if I was in a situation where the stage volume had to be very loud I might explore that or in ears.

    To the OP:
    drastically reduce the highs and pump up the mids. If the sound becomes too muddy put the highs back and use an EQ to set a shelf filter around 4-5 kHz.


    A trick for exploring what's happening: set a parametric EQ with a medium Q factor and maximum gain and, while playing with the band (or while using the internal looper with the band), move the frequency around and see which one will make your tone pop up most.


    HTH