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    I see it simple. If you want Armin profiles just pay for them. If you don't want to pay for profiles just use the ones available for free or create your own. It is that simple. He has the right to sell whatever he wants to sell as long as he is the author of it. If you buy them you are allowed to use them in the way the author authorizes you. This is the same thing for IR files, sample libraries, patches libraries, etc...


    I don´t understand why is it so hard for people to understand that just because it is easy to make a copy of something that does not give you the right to get it for free or share it and don't pay anything to the author.

    Quote from MadH

    I don´t understand why is it so hard for people to understand that just because it is easy to make a copy of something that does not give you the right to get it for free or share it and don't pay anything to the author.


    So you think if i buy a profile like a 57' Deluxe, tweak it, assign another cab, and make it sound like a hotrodded Deluxe, i don't have the right to share it with the communitiy ??


    Weird discussion - isn't it ?


    Ok - real life mode on:
    There's no way to avoid the sharing of profiles except protecting them in a way that will restrain the "open source mind" of the KPA!


    I've booked a profiling session in a recording studio in february, and the value of the amps i'm going to profile is about 20K cabs included!


    The studio fee is about 50 Euros per hour!
    I wan't to profile those amps in a professional way for my personal use!


    And i'm probably going to share those profiles FOR FREE!!, just to give back to the community what i took from it.


    If more people act this way, this place is going to grow and make lots of happy KPA users !


    Trying to make money out of every opportunity is NOT COOL ANYMORE !!!


    That's my point


    Cheers

    I prefer free profiles, too, but if Armin would put up a good JTM45 I think I'd buy them. But have to check out Lance's JTM45/Till Rig first :D
    If you don't like to buy profiles, just don't buy them :D

    MJT Strats / PRS Guitars / Many DIY Guitars -- Kemper Profiler Rack / Kemper Remote / InEar

    Ok, first of all don't confuse Open Source with user generated content. KPA is not Open Source since we don't have access to the source code of any part of the software running on it. KPA relays in user generated content but that does not mean that it has to be free or that the author of that content has no rights over it.


    I will give you an example of other devices using user generated content. Imagine you buy a sampler. You will find samples or sample libraries that are free and some others that are not. And when you buy those, they are subject to copyrights and to the terms of use that you accept when you purchase them. The terms of use are defined by the author and usually do not allow sharing or reproduction (copy) of the whole or any part of it. So you can yo read these things before you buy and id you don't agree don't buy it.


    You are free to do with the profiles you created whatever you want. Even if you consider unfair that somebody charges for something that you give for free, it is not unfair. What would not be fair is that you impose your way to some else just because you want to do things different. Imagine most people would make available their music for free, would you loose your right to sell your own music because of that?


    Me personally, I have the same view as you. I am going to share my profiles for free as I have always done with patches of other devices but I respect if someone else decides to go the other way because they have the same right as I do to do whatever they decide with their work.

    Quote from MadH

    Even if you consider unfair that somebody charges for something that you give for free

    I'm not considering that unfair, but i think that the people who charge for profiles will be trying to protect their profiles from sharing by compromising the KPA software, and here things get nasty.


    I've got no problem with somebody who charges for profiles, as long as free sharing is still possible.

    Quote from reznor

    I'm not considering that unfair, but i think that the people who charge for profiles will be trying to protect their profiles from sharing by compromising the KPA software, and here things get nasty.


    I've got no problem with somebody who charges for profiles, as long as free sharing is still possible.

    The point is that you are not who decides free sharing if you are not the author and you should not have a problem with that. If your concern is the KPA software, I would not worry about it since the users have no control over it. If you decide to sell and protect by copyright your profiles at the end it is up to you, the author, to take care of that not Kemper and the only thing you could do is sue anyone that violates the terms of use.

    Quote from MadH


    If you decide to sell and protect by copyright your profiles at the end it is up to you, the author, to take care of that not Kemper and the only thing you could do is sue anyone that violates the terms of use.

    Agree. Bad taste or not, everybody can decide to buy or not to buy. So far no problem.


    Maybe my english is to bad for you to understand my question:
    Where can I read the license or contract BEFORE I buy the profiles from Armin? (We have some rules for online trading in the EU)


    Armin can't or will not answer this specific question and his online shop is far away from EU legality.

    Quote from JoeBlob

    Agree. Bad taste or not, everybody can decide to buy or not to buy. So far no problem.


    Maybe my english is to bad for you to understand my question:
    Where can I read the license or contract BEFORE I buy the profiles from Armin? (We have some rules for online trading in the EU)


    Armin can't or will not answer this specific question and his online shop is far away from EU legality.

    If someone is selling something online like this and want to be well protected obviously that person should do things the proper way. If not then he will probably have it difficult to claim anything later but that is not our problem. As a customer you have the right to know what you are paying for before you pay for it. If it is not clear 100% I would avoid buying it.

    Terms and Conditions appear at the bottom of the page you go to if you want to buy. If RedWirez can sell IRs, Armin can sell Profiles. I've been very happy to buy his 57 Deluxe profiles. I'm also happy to make freely available any profiles that come out of my own amps.

    Vintage amp obsessive

    Personally, I would like to see Kemper take the lead on this. As it is their unit, I would have thought they could determine that profiles will always be free no matter where they come from. I really do not like it all when a great public sharing concept such as the Kemper is then derailed by money grabbers who simply see an opportunity to exploit several things at once (1) Kemper, (2) this forum, (3) the users. This is not meant as a personal attack on Armin, but honestly the Kemper forum is not the place to be peddling YOUR commercial wares. Think about it for a moment: Kemper gives all of us the means to freely make and share profiles, they provide this forum for us to do it, and then you try to jump on the back of their success and commercialise it.


    Not good and not in the spirit of how it was setup.

    It would be an stupid move by Kemper to do not allow people to sell profiles as that would in the end limit the options for their users. I want to have the option of acquiring profiles done by pros/studios that would not normally do them unless they can get paid for it.

    Quote from JonG

    Personally, I would like to see Kemper take the lead on this. As it is their unit, I would have thought they could determine that profiles will always be free no matter where they come from. I really do not like it all when a great public sharing concept such as the Kemper is then derailed by money grabbers who simply see an opportunity to exploit several things at once (1) Kemper, (2) this forum, (3) the users. This is not meant as a personal attack on Armin, but honestly the Kemper forum is not the place to be peddling YOUR commercial wares. Think about it for a moment: Kemper gives all of us the means to freely make and share profiles, they provide this forum for us to do it, and then you try to jump on the back of their success and commercialise it.


    Not good and not in the spirit of how it was setup.

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