He's browsing the thread right now... why would he not?
There's a rule in business. It says "Never get mad at your money".
He's browsing the thread right now... why would he not?
There's a rule in business. It says "Never get mad at your money".
The Gibson or Fender/Charvel company owner could go on a mass shooting spree killing hundreds of people & it wouldn't stop me from buying a Les Paul or a Strat!!!
I understand the sentiment. I just think it's a different kind of deal. Gibson and Fender/Jackson-Charvelle don't have the people who designed and had a hand in the products that actually sell and prop up those companies in major management with the exception of the Jackson custom shop.
I like the toaster. If I already had a rack setup, it would be, perhaps, different.
Thanks to CK and crew. As an early adopter of the KPA I can say it's the best choice I have ever made to achieve my tone for live and recording. So often, musical gear purchases disappoint quickly after the "honeymoon" period. Not so with the KPA! Not a day of disappointment. I started playing professionally in 1964. Have owned or played through nearly every legendary or highly regarded amplifier. The Kemper lets me hit the stage or studio with all of the great amp tones I love. Thanks again!
Hopefully questions may have been answered and a seeming mystery might be solved. That's always good!
I hope it's true and actually the case.
It's really nice to consider the possibly EVERYONE was right about what they were hearing depending on THEIR KPA and something not perfect in their particular FW upgrade process.
Wouldn't it be nice if CK and everyone else acrually were right regarding what they were hearing from their own unit, or clips which were shared... and if the FW was installed "correctly" and cache < I suppose > succesfully "cleared" the fact IS there's no detrimental tone change in our favorite gear to play through?
I may well explain how the folks here may well be a bit "crazy", but actually are being honest about what they were hearing. IOW, it's nice if this is the answer. Maybe a lot of angry things were said in both directions but both sides were right about what they were hearing.
Lets hope the long thread really did need to be this long if an answer
was found. Perhaps apologies and thank you's are mutually appropriate.
I'd be good with that. How about you?
In case you use 1.60
Press Master
Goto Page 5/5
Press the rightmost softbutton (above the display) - play and check if you can hear/feel a sound difference
What did you hear when you tried this?
Yours and my experiences differ greatly. In the case of my pedals versus those in the Kemper (granted there's not much overlap) I vastly preferred my pedals. I do not like the stomp box models other than the new screamer, and even then I prefer the sound of the gain from the amp models over it.
It's a YMMV deal.
I am an old schooler in the sense that I never liked using any drive or distortion pedals. At a point, it was a must do as some venues got tougher in volume tolerance, even in the 500 plus venues attenuators did more harsh things to amps that could produce the hair I needed.
Talk about a money pit... really nice drive pedals I could get along with were stupid money or expensively modded off the self stuff. I use one pedal as I prefer a boost type, and my Himmelstrutz Over Under allows me to not have to shift banks for what I use the most songs I do live that need multiple channel / A-B-C tones. Otherwise, I would set high gain - extreme gain same amp rigs to switch.
Display MoreHi!
Do you hear any differences? Can you identify which one is v1.6.0?
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Saludos!
Paco
If not exact, close enough to not be an issue. I don't hear an issue. Thanks.
[quote='DanielRigler',index.php?page=Thread&postID=65600#post65600]Conclusion: there is no evidence where we could correct the firmware. No clue what to change.
However, this will still not satisfy you, as you hear what you hear and so many users have heard it, and so many cannot fail.
By the way: there has not been a single firmware update last year, where at least two users posted about a possible sound change. Now we've got the critical mass. This thread will go on forever.
I haven't installed the Beta as I'm in the middle of a recording project for a paid, and paying, client. I heard differences in some of the supplied recordings. I monitor with my studio nearfields. Your explanation is strongly stated and reassuring that the KPA has not been altered in neither tone nor feel. That's good enough for me.
Have a good NAMM. The rack should generate some buzz and orders!
Display MoreI switched to 1.60 and liked very much that the artifacts are gone.
The next day did I not like the sound of the KPA (all without TS).
I thought it was me and checked my hearing by playin some real tube amp - they were fine.
The next day I played the KPA again and it sounds the same - I installed 1.52 and liked the feel/sound better - then I started this thread to see what others think.
Unfortunatly has my mixer I use in my guitar studio (Alesis Mastercontrol) no digital out - so I don't do reamping.
I could use my Fireface from my Keyboard studio but was to lazy to bring all to that room.
So I created a track with 1.52 - updated the firmware to 1.6 and played the same again.
The 1.52 track sounded THIS much better. (my first sample posted)
To be sure I did the same test with two more tracks (clean and distorted) - the difference was much smaler - and may come from slidly different playing. The distorted one sound almost the same - maybe here comes the difference from the "missing" artefacts.
I can not hear a difference in reamped tracks posted by other users.
I reamped myself (with the analoge output = extra noise) and can not hear a difference.
This all was done without effects - I did not test if the KPA sounds different wet.
Why was there such a big difference in my first sample?
I don' know - but my other tests shows not so big differences.
Maybe I used accidentally two different guitars - I own 3 Telecasters
At least do we now have highly tested 1.60.
Since other users hear differences too - they may find it - or as I guess - all we miss are the artefacts from 1.54
Thanks so much for the very thorough response. I think if we didn't like the KPA so much we wouldn't care that it stays a great as it has been. I didn't load 1.6 yet, but like Tyler, I was concerned about the differences I heard in the supplied clips. Couple that with this not having been a potential issue brought to the forums attention with other FW updates, I was concerned.
It's beta and I'm cool with the FW I'm running. I would hate to miss out on future features but I would if the tone and feel I like were to be sacrificed. I'm glad to see the dev team is improving the stomps because some of them in the crunch/distortion/fuzz department absolutely suck, IMO.
Dank wieder für die Antwort.
Display MoreMatH,
I have created the Profiler with a scientific approach. It would not have been possible another way.
Everybody who felt that the 1.60 sounded differently after updating, would be able to tell the difference, if it exists.
Making tests would also imply a blind test. And yes, blind tests could confuse the listeners. But this is the only scientific approach to find out the truth.
To Man_With_Gas: Those tests would have addressed the "The sense of immediacy and toothiness", of course. What did you think?
But I can see that you guys feel uncomfortable with this approach. Sure you could get confused, and yes, one clear result could be, that you are wrong.
The other clear result could be that we are wrong, which would guide us to nail down a possible solution in further tests.
Failure is an option for me, but obviously not for you.
Test is canceled.
Why cancel the test? Some folks sent their address...
1.52, 1.54 and 1.60 sound all the same - so let's update.
Is this your honest opinion brother? Did you listen harder and change you mind?
Try to make certain that phase inversion tests are absolutely in mono when trying to cancel compare. Also the two versions must be played absolutely identically in time...
CK responds and I appreciate it.
I haven't installed the Beta yet so I really don't have an opinion.. To my ears the A/B comparisons posted here so far seem troubling. I'm a bit surprised that lots of folks would hear differently now and not so common with other Software changes, but anything can happen if people are lead to believe there's a need to really listen.
I'm confident that there's enough folks here with access to diagnostic tools and reamping and the answer will be clear and facts.
I don't know, I haven't tried 1.6. I have no pressing reason to. I rely on the KPA for a part of my livelihood. I will be keeping up on this thread and others like it.
Best wishes to the Kemper team @ NAMM!
Thanks for the complement Neil. But always take my postings with a grain of salt. I've gathered much of what I know in the pre-internet days - like 25 years ago - and I'm sure I've fallen for one myth or another which is now known as totally wrong. Back then if only enough experienced players or even people from the MI-business told you something, you took it for a fact even if it wasn't. I always try to check back before I post but sometimes I just post what I think I remember and that might be wrong.
BTW: 1fastdog knows a whole lot more about old Marshalls than I do. In fact I learned a lot just by reading his and his mates' posting on the Les Paul Forum.
What a kind thing to say. Some of the best things about our sort of forum is that we all have something to share when the right question comes along. No one is born an expert. No one needs to be an expert to have a riff or two to offer.
Sorry to see you facing issues
. Hang in and come back. Things will turn around my friend!
I guess I am finding the update better? I play alot
Maybe I will go back and check the old firmware but I think I have have better tone now?
Maybe types of pickups is whats causing this reaction
I think folks should play through what sounds the best for them. I'll likely give 1.6 a go, but not when I'm doing a recording project. I don't want to need to redo whole tracks in the middle...
If you stick to an early FW you will miss all the features that will come up from now on. And sooner or later there will be something that makes it a tough decision. I think this is why many here are so worried about the sonic direction that FW updates take.
Maybe I should have been more clear. The clips played comparing the two are troubling. I won't be loading this present Beta.
I'm with everyone who has concerns with tone and feel and benefitting from other update features.
This isn't, perhaps, a great example: I went with playing Hiwatt amps over using Marshalls in late 1972. I bought a 50w and 100w head and 2 4x12's and put 4 of my old 20 watt celestions in one of the cabs and had it as the top cab, and miced both cabs for blending. It was a dandy deal up until the very early '80's when I had an issue with my 50 watter < which I really used a lot more than the couple of gigs I used the 100 for. The 50 needed a full retube in 1980 and it was a real struggles to have the amp sound the same afterward. I had my tech pull tubes from the 100w and thigs were back to the tone I expected and loved from early 1970 Mullards. You could still buy Mullards from Britain, but they were not they same tone by a long enough shot to go hunting tube dates... there wasn't a boutique industry that existss now. I bought the KPA for the tone. Not the pedal emulations, though it might be a plus, or a performance mode. For me? No tone? No want.
I figure it way to early to be all that concerned. There was a FW that effected tone depending on switching and returning to a rig, or something similar.
Will had made a tongue in cheek that CK should just tell us we asked for it, live with it. I don't get that being CK's vibe. IMO, he would be Cliff at that point and his product wouldn't sound good enough for me to want to play through it...
Awhile back I hopped into a thread regarding the previous aliasing comments from some folks.
I understand that folks get passionate about their gear. Count me in that column. I'm running 1.52 and happy as a clam.
I think what is being troubling is likely what the direction in FW will be from here. I have full faith that if there is a sound difference which is a negative? Kemper will correct it, or explain what's going on. I bought the Kemper on faith and a trust in some of the clips posted early on. Now that I have it I'm thrilled. I don't want to see the profiles I use for recording and live work changed, even if it's for the better... particularly due to the possibility I may need to redo a track part prior to release. I'm really picky about my tone and feel. I'm all for better but not into losing what I already have,,, to be blunt.
It's way to early to freak out. It's Beta. I can have what works and stay with or even revert to a more previous FW, if the worst case happens, which I doubt is a looming possibility.. I may even load the beta and decide for myself...
I think there's possibly something to consider if the factory rigs were all erased and replaced... Is there a tonal reason for that or was it being done on all the prior FW updates as well? Is it worth thinking about? I think CK can tell us.