Thats why I said it would be good just to have an extra column to enable listing by number of downloads.
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I intentionally left the description vague so that others could voice their opinions / ideas as well. There is no need to hold peoples hands with the basics but a sticky/thread with links that already do so would come in handy for the subcaregory if created.
IF there is already a write up in the wikpa that serves its purpose, then we don't need this. My intentions were primarily unselfish in that the kemper makes recording tempting and with so many doing so, it would have served as an area for discussion with tips and recommendations to refine sounds and not just getting set up.
AS web communities grow subcategories eventually become necessary to make navigation of information easier but that is clearly for convenience.
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@lighthouse , you don't have to sell us on the benefits of the profile and kemper as most of us have already taken that stuff into consideration when justifying the cost of the kemper.
There is not much better than being able to hear what profiles can do right from home on the computer and knowing how well the recordings translate to live playing.
THe ideas here are just to make for more options for purchasing packs and bundles.
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That really is the best way to sum it up. It is an opportune market and will dry up as the internet fills with quality profiles that can be had for free. My intentions were to get ideas out there that can benefit the buyers and sellers alike by changing the market practices. Plain and simple.
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Yeah you´re absolutly right. I still think it would be a great option if the sellers would actually sell their profiles as single-profiles and additional in a pack - for those who want to buy the whole pack right away. But maybe thats gonna happen soon...
It will happen as soon as someone else does it and forces others to do the same to compete.
Basically what you're asking for is a way to get exactly what you want for a cheaper price or more of what you exactly need for the same price. While that's fine from your point of view, it makes calculation much more difficult for the profilers. We don't even know about the agreements between the profilers and those who give them the amps. And if they open up their system for 100% customizable rig selection, they might spend more time in office accounting than organizing, profiling and finetuning the good stuff.
Just some food for thought.
TO say I want one profile from each amp would be unreasonable given the time required to set up and profile sellable ones. What is reasonable is to say that instead of me buying the 8 amps in pack 1, let me pick 8 amps for the pack price. This 1. Makes the buyer happy and 2. Lets the sellers know exactly what sells the best and they can dedicate their time more efficiently to making products that sell. Surely it is safe to say that eventually every amp out there will be requested, but it is still up to them which amps are profitable.
ITs not only amps we need to consider. It is genre and usage. More popular sellers would be more likely to get redone in multi amp or Mic or other technique as well.
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Problem is you wont know what works till you try them. Even soundcloud clips only give you an idea of the sound. There are just too many variables between people and gear.
IF someones on a budget and says I'm gonna buy xyz profile and tweak it till it works, that is an option. If another person says I want to have a bunch of new high gain sounds they are probably going to want pack value instead of playing a profile lottery.
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+1, Overall I think it´s just not fair towards the sellers. They put some real effort in them and the prices are very fair.I don't think ethics on the compensation for the profilers is an issue here or this thread would not exist. Pricing is only half the issue as well. Basically if you want more than a couple amps, the value of a pack is where we end up on value alone. The other half is selection. Packs are still way better than cable tiers where you would buy 5 packs and get 6 decent channels. The fact is though that we still end up with amps not used and could be swapped with others who have the same thing with their packs.
In a nut shell, its a passive way of saying the sharing is already present on the net and having custom packs with pack value would eliminate a lot of that. We want these professional profilers to succeed that is why we offer our opinions to help keep customers happy instead of going underground and waiting for the profile Netflix to emerge.
Cheesy analogy, but it should get the point accross.
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Just to be clear I am talking about profiles I paid money for being traded for profiles someone else also paid for. I realize the potential for "Kempster" is going to be there (it's there now), but at least I'm asking about it openly to see what others might think......rather than under the cover of darkness.
That was meant to be covered in the first post as well. The way I see it is that if we both want to buy a bundle each and and split them with each other, it is not much different than buying a pack of red marbles and a pack of blue marbles and end up each having half blue and half red.
The problem with digital stuff is that there is no way of knowing if you actually split them between buyers or they all have a complete set. So they just say no to sharing from the get go.
That is just my interpretation of the ethics. IMO, I would be more worried about advertising and selling creation and ownership of (insert amp brand) genuine authentic sound without compensation to amp company than what were to happen if you sold your Kemper that was loaded with paid profiles.
There is just too many angles to see this from. I myself would like to think nothing wrong with me buying pack 1 and you buying pack 2 and we both end up with two packs and getting the ones we want out of the deal. -
It all boils down to ethics. We should feel the need to compensate the work of the profilers and to not share the profiles so that the next person compensates as well. With computer software, you do not own the software, you own a licence to use the software in the terms agreed upon in the EULA. I have not read all the fine print on the KEmper and paid profile sites, though I would be interested in knowing who has the right to say that they actually own a profile since it is a proprietary piece that everyone who owns a Kemper has equal rights to make and alter to their liking. Having said that it would also not be ethical to take a paid profile and alter it and then label it their own work of art to be able to share willingly either, so there definitely needs to be some distinction made between the two since there is (as far as im aware besides naming the profile) any digital signature one can attach to a profile to prove actual ownership or originality.
I have seen on other forums where members openly talk about "chipping in" for a pack and then sharing it. This kind of reminds me of back when the music industry only had albums and LPs for sale. Some people would pirate because they only wanted a couple songs so they felt no need to purchase an entire album. Then Itunes and similar came out and this rectified a lot of the problems with music industries ignorance to conform to customers needs. In a way the profiles are headed in the right direction by allowing single amp purchases instead of packs. It will still need further refinement in the near future to allow single profile purchases that are even cheaper and clips to demo them as well (I know there is clips now but not necessarily for all of them).
Basically what I am getting at is that profiles in themselves are a huge GAS and people will charge whatever people are willing to pay, but as more quality free ones flood the market, profile sellers will have to alter the selling models to conform to buyers needs and expectations in order to prevent sharing and pirating which will naturally occur just given past prescient with other products as the number of users grow.
Not trying to stir anything up here or offend anyone, just touching base on things that people should already know about or at least be aware of.
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Ha!
Seriously, many are keeping their backline wall just for the show... But they are muted
Reminds me of this:
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When I was younger, I bought a Marshall amp because I wanted to sound like James Hetfeid, what a disappointment due to the ignorance of not knowing all of the racks and effects that are behind the scenes that he actually uses. Now we can get all kinds of great tones in one box with the Kemper. Still though, some days I want to hide my Kemper inside a tube head and the DXRs in a 412 because it is so much easier than having to explain what I'm using and how it works.
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THanks. Did not realize how long it has been out for till I watched some YouTube videos. Thread was good. Looks like there is already some speakers that users like better.
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I had found in another thread which linked to the fractal forum where a user tried one and liked it. It is just like the typical FRFR setup but with added dsp for more usage options.Here is the link and hopefully someone can make it in for a test drive and maybe compare it to a DXR or atomic to see how it pans out. Even if it is not the magic we are looking for, it is nice to see a specialized speaker for use profile users and maybe give some of the other PA speakers manufactures some insight at the market availability. Anyway, just something to check out.
http://line6.com/stagesource-l3t/overview
I'm on my phone so sorry in advanced for formatting the thread.
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Well, the Atomic CLRs and other FRFRs have a built in poweramp.
The Profiler also has a built in poweramp specifically 'tuned' to the Kemper...all you need is the correct speaker.
The poweramp doesn't have to be used with a guitar cab/speaker, you can use it with a passive speaker as well.So in reality, the Kemper doesn't need a FRFR.
Yeah its true. A lot of the issues with Kemper and Axe and alike is that most of us are adjusting to a new sound and feel. Couple that with too many different options for projecting that sound really makes it difficult to settle on a sound or feel depending on its use. The FRFR PA's still work best for me as I mainly use for home and it gets me really close to what it is going to sound like when recorded as well as makes great monitors for throwing a good sound at you at many levels of loudness.
Edit: I forgot to add earlier to make sure that if you feel like trying out some old monitor speakers that they say monitors on them or Google to find out because there are a lot of them that are hi-fi as well. I only recommended them as they are usually cheap <200 bucks and still make awesome music and party speakers for the computer room or man cave if they don't work for your Kemper needs. Who knows, if I get them sounding a lot better with some different drivers, I might just mount them on a 412 wheeled road case and call it a day. (Wishfully thinking, having a nice monitor up front is hard to give up)
Edit2: my phone keeps insisting that the Kemper is a Keller, haDon't believe in ANYTHING what was written in ANY internet forum!
- "Don't Believe Everything You Read on the Internet" -Abraham Lincoln.
THis way really gets the point accross.
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FRFR is not the answer to our Kemper dreams. It is nearly the best option we have now. Sure the DXRs sound great and may be flatter and sound good with Kemper, but they are still PA speakers, designed that way from the get go.The Atomics take things in another direction of blending in a PA and cab feel while keeping things pretty flat. We should be telling Yamaha and others what we want and how much we are willing to pay and they will make it. Problem is we need guitar players working with them. Until then, smaller companies like atomic will capitalize on the market.
DOnt get me wrong, I'm not trying to be bitter about our options. I just want people to realize that even though we get awesome tones and feels with what we have available now, things will only get better.
I like my DXR10s as they give me nice monitoring sounds as well as volume for playing live, but I still can't wait to get rid of them once the next Gen emerges. What form that will be will be interesting to know.
IF you want value and nice sound for home use, I would suggest some old monitor speakers. Those rectangle boxy looking ones that are from the late 70s till early 90s. They can be had dirt cheap since everyone dumps them for new high-fi for home use. The ones I have are actually a lot closer to my studio monitors than my other high-fi in my house and sound awesome with my Kemper. Very crisp and punchy with the loud drivers with a only a bit missing in the mids and to bitter in the highs with a horn tweeter. I'm going to swap out the horn for a dome tweeter and get a larger mid range to see how it improves the crossover frequencies.
JUst another option for people to try. I have an old mixer pa amp that is only 100 Watts digital and was recovered and repaired in the landfill and is still louder than hell with those speakers.
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Try going into the output menu and check out those levels as well. There are a few more settings in there that can be made.
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Wow Ken, this is awesome. I hope you are planning on coming back to collect your praise and answer some questions.
I myself would like to know what type of speaker you prefer your Kemper to be plugged into when dialing in patches as well as what you use for monitoring/backline on stage.
Also, for forum members, here is a picture of the midisport uno to save you some googling.
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Just by owning and dialing in an AXE, you have already overcome some hurdles that many people coming from tubes deal with so we can eliminate that right off the bat. To be honest, the main arguments of AXE being better boil down to number of effects. With the way CK and crew have been adding and refining the ones in the Kemper that will eventually change as well. You will have a hard time finding anyone owning a Kemper that will say they are hard to figure out or dial in with the layout that is present. (We are still awaiting an official edditror, but for live use, this is a non issue anyway) Another big plus is that with firmware revisions, your tones are still the same, so you can rest easy that your hard work dialing in a tone will still be there when you need it.
The only two things I can see being a big debate here a powered head and cab vs non powered and FRFR due to some of the amp tone being in the cab sim. You can make either work but if loosing weight is a plus for you then it might be worth it to test drive some FRFR. Then again if you already have your AXE dialed in for your cabinet, then it may be easier and more convenient to get the powered Kemper so they can share the same speakers since your AXE is dialed into the cabinet already.
So really it is not an issue of if a Kemper is going to work, it is an issue of how you want the Kemper to function and work with your other gear.
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Pretty self explanitory from the title. Only thing I would suggest is to place it in the public forum so outside gurus are able to chime in as well for non Kemper related discussions like DAW's. Mixers. IR's mic's etc.
THis will serve well for discussions about recording information such as the different output level combinations, compressors. High-low filters and whatever else you figure would be handy to have in one place.
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Now to the topic: if you find that the profiles need some equalization, go for it! Id you feel the profiles are too bright when you play stand-alone, feel free to cut it down by a lowpass filter. Do whatever is required to have the best listening enjoyment. However, be aware that by those tweaks you have probably moved the sound away from a state-of-the-art recording sound. This is no problem, if you are aware of that.Thanks for the walkthrough. I am no professional by any means but do know a little about a lot of things and this tends to lead to gaps in areas that need exploration and explanation in order to understand the big picture. I look forward to constructive criticism though find that people on this board are sometimes too nice. So if you ever feel the need to explain the technicalities of certain aspects (without giving out any trade secrets, of course) myself and others would likely be all ears.
The Kemper does have the nice ability of being able to set it and forget it like a real amp once your needed tones are dialed in as well as also being easy to navigate through if someone likes to tweak and explore. This makes it good whether we find a profile that works with out set up or not. Like you say though, there are just too many variables in making every situation work from the get go so a mix of differently profiled preloaded profiles is ideal. It is so easy to go from live amp sound to recorded amp sound that I ( and I'm sure others) sometimes question what is real or sounds better. I do prefer the "CD in the room" sound myself as it seems to translate well to the recorded tone when playing through FRFR. Though I do still explore as people that want a demo say "Oh do you have X sound" and already have that amp in the room image ready to compare it to. It is just easier to give that to them than to explain FRFR and why it works with everything easier.
