Atomic CLR
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Maybe a *bit* better than the Mackie - at the low end - nothing some very minor eq'ing cant fix ....... and its 2x the price (?)
Not knocking the CLR ....... but *on paper* I doubt the difference would be actually audible 
Haven't tried this, but it doesn't look great even on paper.
Not flat at all.
....... I would have thought that this was about as flat as you get without getting in to mega-$$ territory ?
Are there graphs / plots of the Atomic CLR and the Yamaha DXR 10 .... would be interested to see their graphs / plots ?
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while the new profiling is an improvement in accuracy of the direct sound of an amp, I wouldn't dismiss the 'old way' as you call it right away. It is by no means bad. In fact I know quite a few pros that use rigs with disabled CAB live with a guitar cabinet.
Maybe you are getting a bit ahead of yourself - wait for the Profiler and enjoy
Fair point .... and yes ..... I am really hanging out for my KPA and will certainly try many "old" profiles with the Cab not on
Wasn't meaning to "bag" the old format.
For users like me though ie: who are getting the KPA for live use with their own existing real cab - in my case an Alnico + Ceramic 2 x 12 ....... there is no way that a "full" AC30 profile with the Cab removed by the KPA "guessing" where the Amp/Cab split is [ Christoph's words not mine ] is going to be better than a proper direct post-power-amp-pre-speaker profile running into a SS amp and a real cab.
But yes .... I will try as soon as mine arrives 
All the best.
Ben
Check out the frequency graph - from the manual:-
..... and this from the back of the actual speaker itself:-
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H 90" / V 80" Dispersion
23 lbs / 10.4 kg
126 db SPL
55 hz <-> 20 k - 3 db
50 hz <-> 23k -10 db
500w / 1000w peak
Class D for Woofer
Class A/B for horn
Mackie build quality
Looking at the Freq response [ green PA ] - and the back-of-the-speaker-freq-plot, its quite flat with only a couple of very small peaks and valleys which can be eq'd out [if needed] very easily and quickly - especially given the chart shows you where they are and their db cut/boost
On paper - it should sound great !!!!
Anyone tried one ?
Ben
Every AC30 I know or have possessed has a speaker jack, so it could be done easily (doing full AND D.I. profiles that is).
OTOH, like Andy mentioned previously, the AC 30 is an amp that's tied to its speakers in a very special way, so that TAF (IIRC) saw no use of D.I. profiles in the case of an AC 30, and I tend to agree.
Fair and true but only to a point ...... an AC30 sounds equally brilliant [but different ] to the traditional 2 x Blue's as compared to running through a couple of great Ceramic's ..... let alone the bliss of running one through one alnico + one ceramic = the ultimate AC30 cab = chime plus grind !!!!!
I guess once 3.0 is out it will be a moot point as I expect that all post-3.0 profiles will be Full and Direct ....... so given AC30's are one of the 3 or 4 most iconic guitar amps of all time, it wont be long before we see AC30 Full and Direct profiles .....was just hoping / wondering if someone had already done it.
Ben
If you are looking for the "new style" profiles without cabinets, you don't want DI Profiles.
Try changing your thread title to "AC30 DIRECT Profiles .......... any already out there ? "
BUT, do AC30s have a speaker jack, or are they hard wired? If they are hard wired, someone will have to tap the speaker signal to create a Direct Profile.
Thanks Paults - change made
There are plenty of AC30. Heads. out there so will keep my fingers crossed
Hi all
I was going to post this in the "sounds" thread in the private forum but as my KPA is still not in, I can't register there.
So ........... as my KPA is only a couple of days away I was wondering if anyone had or knew of any commercial or free AC30 DI Profiles that may have already been done with current firmware ?
I know there are a stack of. BRILLIANT. AC30 profiles already out there, but from what I can see, they are all. Full. [ cab and speaker ]. profiles.
I will try these and "disable the cab" but I would expect that they wont sound great "de-cab'd ' the old way.
I realize. 3.0. isn't here yet, and that when it arrives that there will no doubt be an avalanche of DI profiles but, given that DI profiles can be done with 2.7.4. [ and 2.8 ] I was wondering/hoping that some genuine AC30 DI profiles may already exist (?)
Ben
Hi Tim
My KPA is finally at my retailer, so will be grabbing it tomorrow or the next day
Been looking at your Friedman thread - awesome work !!!!
Ive grabbed the Phase 09 DI profile already [ thanks !!!! ]
As I will be using and running my KPA in to my real/actual 2 x 12 [ Weber Alnico and Celestion Ceramic Cab ] DI profiles will be my main [only] kind of profile I will use, so may I please ask,
-> do you have or will you be doing any more DI profiles of the Friedman or any other amp ?
All the best and thanks again,
Ben
When using a DI profile (whatever FW version), it's advised to keep the cab ON
Hey all
I think I'm right here ........ please correct me if I'm not ....... if you have and are working with a ** pre-3.0 old format ** "real" DI profile - one done post-power-amp-and-pre-speaker - that you are wanting to run in to a real / normal [ non-FRFR ] guitar cab, then the best way to remember it is:-
-> for all FW pre-and-post 3.0 you must leave all Cab Simming *ON* - this way the KPA wont try to guess / estimate how much "cab" it will "remove" from the sound [ even though there is no cab to be removed ]
-> if you are working with post-3.0 new format DI profiles in FW 3.0 and later its all neatly done and automatically compartmentalized and perfectly separated for you - easy
Ben
Hey all
Putting aside all the usual Behringer "comments" on paper this wedge => http://www.behringer.com/assets/F1320D_P0AA9_Top_XXL.png has:-
-> freq range of 60hz <-> 16khz
-> 2 way Cab
-> plenty of watts
-> +/- 15db EQ Boost/Cut @ 2.5k Crossover Freq
-> +/- 15db EQ Boost/Cut @ 80hz and 12k
-> compact and only 15kg
Anyone here tried one ?
Given that (I) there is no standard for FRFR cabs and (ii) no two FRFR cabs sound the same ........ Im wondering if this could be a bit of a Kemper FRFR "sleeper".
Ben
So I gather / presume there is a 3.0,beta that can be downloaded from somewher ?
Latest BETA Firrware - is there something *newer* than 2.8 ?
Ben
Its frustrating there is no manual for it!
Yeah .... agreed.
Really glad I asked too .... thanks again Drapes
Funny thing is that there IS a manual - see here:- http://artproaudio.com/downloa…anuals/om_zdirect.pdf?v=1 - but the one thing it would most benefit from is a couple of very simple set up diagrams of which it has none.
Thanks again for your clarification re: the wiring set up.
Ben
Many thanks Drapes - sometimes my brain goes weird - just found the schematic too:-
Ben
It says its supports speaker levels.You defo have B and C the wrong way round. I tried it last night and the cab made a squealing noise. I dont know if i needed to press the ground switch or not!
Thanks Drapes - so just to confirm for my own soggy brain, its:-
A -> plug the Amp Head Speaker Out into the 1 x 1/4" Input
then
B -> go from the 1 x Male Canon Output to the Kemper input
then
C -> go from the 1 x 1/4" Input Through to the actual speaker Cab
Have I got it right now ?
Ben
To me it looks like the Art ZDirect can't handle the speaker signal. You need a special DI box that supports "between amp and cab" operation. I might be wrong though - just did a short google search.
Hi mDan.
From the website/manual " ..... The Zdirect is a high quality totally passive interface that lets you connect instrument, line, or speaker level signals to a mixer or other balanced input thru a high performance audio isolation transformer ..... "
To assist with this it offers a -20db setting for lower wattage amps and -40db setting for higher powered amps.
Thanks,
Ben
Hey all
This is embarrassing - I've had a brain snap.
I have this DI -> http://artproaudio.com/artcess…di_boxes/product/zdirect/
It has :-
-> 1 x 1/4" Input
-> 1 x 1/4" Input Through
-> 1 x Male Canon Output
I will [hopefully] be doing a DI profile of my Matchless DC30 [ DZ30] clone in a week or so, but just wanted to double-check the wiring order.
So ....... I presume that
A -> I plug the Amp Head Speaker Out into the 1 x 1/4" Input
then
B -> I go from the 1 x 1/4" Input Through to the Kemper input
then
C -> I go from the 1 x Male Canon Output to the Speaker Cab
Or, do I have B + C the wrong way around ?
My sincere thanks in advance.
Ben
I use a Countryman Type 85 DI box...
Looks excellent -46 db for speaker [ fantastic ] and totally flat response and " The Type 85 doesn’t have roll off switches or effects. Adjusting the
frequency content of a sound source is an artistic decision best done at the mixing location where you can hear the results and easily make changes "
Great choice.
Oh well ..... bummer ..... mistakes happen ..... especially from me ..... its all good !!!
The good thing is that 2.8 Beta already does DI profiling - although to what extent its been further improved on in 3.0 as compared to 2.8 Beta from
( a ) a procedural [how to do it] perspective
and
( b ) a file format [ compatibility ] perspective
as well as
( c ) from a profile [audio quality] perspective
would be good to know ?
If the changes from 2.8 beta <-> 3.0 impact on (c), skip 2.8 Beta and wait for 3.0 for DI profiling.
If the changes from 2.8 beta <-> 3.0 impact only on (a) and/or (b) grab 2.8 Beta and start DI profiling
Anyone know ?
Ben
As of now / this post - its 3.45am January 22 in NAMM Land [ LA ] and 12.45pm January 22 in Kemper-Ville [ Germany] and it still says:-
" Pricing and availability The Kemper Profiler Firmware 3.0 is available from January 22nd, 2015 – free of charge for all registered owners of a Kemper Profiler "
Ben
