It's worth browsing the "Hidden Gems" thread from the Hot Topics section.
You'll find things such as this: Morgan AC20 by rmpacheco.
Saying that I've been happy to pay and support some of the well known profilers just because I dig what they do and there is an art to capturing great profiles.
Be great if M.Britt et al made recall sheets for some / all of the amp settings
If liquid profiling actually means, as some as said, that I can use one '69 Plexi profile and reach over and tweak the knobs and get essentially the same result I'd get from the "real" amp, then this would be a HUGE game changer. As other have said, no more having to have 10 profiles of the same '69 Plexi to get different basic tones.
My only concern is that if we only now need 1 profile of any amp, the little room inside the Kemper where all the profiles are kept will become a bit echoey.
I suppose it will make it lighter though.
and look like a nerd onstage???im old enough as it is,,
Hey, I wasn't going to mention the loon pants, Dave Hill boots and the Ziggy Stardust top you wear ...
Thanks CK. Just amazing.
Display Morethats cool, but I was hoping for a mini kemper player for stage and studio work,small, light,modern,EASY to read,,load 5 amps and go...
My eyes are shot and even with 3X readers, I cant use the Kemper anymore, The little green screen is just too hard to read, and no, I do not use a computer with it,,Honesty, since I found the Morgan profile 10 years ago, I was/am,, completely happy with the sound,,,
Just not the form,,,and display,
so,, as sad as it is, Its time to go in a dif direction,,But,,, I waited for you Mr Kemper,,I wanted to give you more money for your great stuff,,We've been together from the start,,I'll always remember our first gig together,,,all the good times,,the sessions, where I wowed the producer with all the amps inside this magic green box,,,good times,,, for sure,,but,
I dont need better software, I need a modern, small, portable,easy to use, hardware solution,, with a screen I can see in daylight, on a big outdoor sun lit stage,,( I found have what works for me, even with its limitations)
The update is still cool.. if your a tweaker,,I'm a player,jus a workin stiff that needs great, easy to use, tools,,,You will always be in my rack,,just a little dusty,,,Thanks for the memories,
Tough crowd.
You can go up to strength 6 with reading glasses
Welcome and enjoy your Stage mate.
As has been suggested, I'd start out "simple".
For many there's no need to take it beyond that.
No need to be rude about me, I keep trying 
My Kemper takes 47 seconds to boot up.
It takes me 2 pints and a shot...
I'm pretty useless at all this computer stuff. Tried Tonex, could feel the latency. Tried NAM, vsti wouldn't load, messy and yep, felt the latency
For idiots like me, it's so easy just to switch on the Kemper and play. I'll take a bit of compression over latency any day.
Im learning 'Why I'm here" by Oleander, it has a violin part. Can I create that sound from my kemper?
Thank you.
In all seriousness the only way I found to reasonably fake violin was with Stradivarious Violin via Kontact player.
I've got a beautiful cello called Goffriller (think that's the right spelling) too .
Tried volume swells etc with a guitar couldn't get it right.
Can send you a link if you want to her it in a song 
Remember that a pot of ebow grease can be expensive though
Another thing that drew me to Kemper initially is - I'm old fashioned - I like twisting knobs - and the studio is nearest to a conventional amp ergonomically. I did twist a mouse once but it broke.
Display MoreI just returned the QC after three weeks. I SO wanted to love!. The KPA generation 1 in my opinion is a superior product and has more power and versatility where it counts.
Pros: the captures and such sounded great, not better than kpa profiles. I like the touch screen for naming things. I like how it took so little room on my desk and could fit in my computer book bag. That's about it. Can function as an interface. But, I already own an interface that I leave on in my office while working, would never want to leave my kpa or QC left on all day so I can use it to listen to music through my studio monitors.
Cons:
1) Dual amps is cool, but I couldn't find a combo I'd prefer to any single amp, so what's the point of adding the complexity for editing sake?
2) No volume compensation. The supposed time saved with a touch screen? I forgot how much I hated compensating volume after making minor gain adjustments; wasted so much time. Set up some scenes with different gain stages, then realize that overall it's too loud compared to other presets. back and forth, back and forth adjust, adjust, compare, hit save, repeat...... Oh wait, I could just adjust the overall volume by adding a EQ effect at end of chain, darn not enough DSP.
3) No dual delays. You NEED to set up a parallel path to merely have a 1/4 and 1/8 dotted delay. Delays in general were quite limited compared to KPA. The kpa delays come with so much complexity that I personally never need two at the same moment in time anyway; with spillover in the delay slot, there's no need to cram additional delays in the same Rig for other songs or parts of songs; just copy paste the rig and add a different delay.
4) No effect presets. You can only set the default for an effect type. Huge waste of time.
5) No ducking anything. I use ducking delays and even a little ducking on more ambient reverb all the time, cuts down on tap dancing. KPA has ducking on all delays, reverbs, mods, pitch, etc.
6) No editor: the touch screen speeds some things up, but then it's on the floor, whereas the iPad/iphone app for the kpa takes a moment to turn on.
7) Not enough foot switches, which are too close together btw. You have to use Scenes since there's an audio gap and no spillover between presets. But it's cumbersome to get to another preset; getting back to preset mode requires stepping on two switches, and then hit them together again to get back to Scene mode. BTW the footswitches make this irritating scratchy sound when pressed. The KPA's front row of switches are closer to the ground requiring less foot raising and easier access to the second row as well. No dedicated tuner button on the QC, I kept screwing up the bpm trying to access the tuner.
7) a vulgar exaggeration of power. I ran out of DSP using a compressor, 1 OD, two captures, an EQ, two delays (necessary because they don't have a dual delay model) and a reverb! I had to turn off the global EQ! And yes I correctly spread everything out among two sections to utilize all of its DSP. Though the kpa only does one profile at time, I could do all of these other things on the kpa, only needing 1 delay module to do what QC needs two to do, add an extra OD model, add a couple mod effects, utilize the looper, transpose, a 2nd compressor via the amp block compression, no need to turn off the global eq! Even better I can do all this on the kpa and go to another rig without an audio gap and maintain spillover, unlike the QC.
The capture menu on the QC is an absolute mess. Even though I downloaded less than 100 amps+cabs, presets, and OD captures it was a total pain to find what I was looking for. Totally disorganized, unsearchable, stupid categories. Suppose you capture the amp and speaker of a Fender twin? This would go in one category. Then capture the Fender twin plugged into a physical separate guitar cabinet. This is supposed to go in another category! Even though they're both capturing an amplifier and a speaker! Create or worse download a bunch of captures and try and remember which ones are in which category! and then scroll down the whole list of each trying to find the one you are looking for.
Holy cow.
Display MoreI'm not struggling with anything. I don't care what is or isn't a 'game changer'. Especially when the people saying these things get paid by the number of views or units sold. It's marketing, and its pretty transparent.
What I'm struggling with is why anyone cares.
The reality is that Fractal existed in one form or another for 5 or 6 years before the Profiler. You can argue either side of that particular fence if you like. As far as game-changers go.....products like the AxSys in 1996, the FlexTones that followed and the Pods that followed created digital amps. Tom Scholz' Rockman was analog - but inarguably the first successful modeler and goes back to 1982. Most of Def Leppard's Hysteria album was recorded with one.
All that....and Kemper, as good as it still is came along in 2011 and remains unique in digital amps.
All this argument is about is what flavor is better. In other words - it's all preference. Just like music.
Equally I don't care whether you care or not. My original post wasn't personally directed to you or at you . Tonex is being marketed by shills on YT as a game changer. I tried it and was disappointed. That was my point. Take it or leave it.
If you think Tonex or QC works for you then happy days.
Perhaps we should leave it there.
I see. Does everything that even potentially competes with the Profiler need to be a game changer?
Sorry you are struggling with this.
When the QC was released it was hailed as a "game changer" by the Youtube shills.
The Tonex is now the new "gamechanger" according to the shills on youtube.
These offer alternative form and perhaps differences in functionality, but they do not change the game.
The only gamechanger was actually the Kemper, as nothing like it existed before it's release.
It isn't a game changer for me, and the fact that it has taken several companies 11 years to catch up to Kemper speaks volumes.
Thank you! You get it. lol
*shrug*
They don't need to be.
Jeez. Ok dude.
Display MoreI ignored the 'promises' - delivered on or not. If someone spent two-grand on a promise, that's their problem. It's their first hardware product, ever.
It happens. It's not like Neural DSP promised and then said "Oh.....we're never doing that." It's taking longer than anyone thought. Like.....uhm.....RIg Manager. We got a sneak peak of a working application at NAMM....and then it was a year before anyone saw it for real.
Of course there will be problems. Remember the release of the Stage? Kemper had all kinds of quality-control issues and pissed a fair number of people off.
Let's not pretend Kemper has never had a misfire.
lol, ok. But neither of these boxes are a game changer.
This is off-topic, but still relevant to this discussion. Saying "what happened there" implies that the QC is a failure of some sort. It isn't. Not even close.
Reading elsewhere it's clear to me QC over promised and under delivered.
Kemper under promised and has overdelivered - compare the constant free updates since inception.
I just think this "game changer" expression is flogged to death by the YT shills. YMMV
