Have fun!!
This was actually the amp I played for years before buying a Kemper. I played it with a Marshall 4x12” 1960V.
It has a lot of great sounds and with the Midi control it can be used for almost any style.
But… I used it mostly in the first two channels since the other channels have a lot of gain, to much form my taste.
I know that this thread is old... but... how's your experience with the KSR PA50? How does it feel in combination with Kemper?
I totally agree. The Kemper Player is the ultimate travel solution for practicing in hotel rooms. So implementing the Looper Function would save the weight of an external looper pedal…
Display MoreNot sure why you see that is offensive but sorry you took it that way. It was a light hearted comment which I can only imagine is likely to offend deaf people, but anyway...
There is some facts in my statement, not totally subjective.
The volume from a 600watt Class D Amp going into a 200watt cab running at 4 ohms with the right eq is very loud.
Many people on this forum have complained at not enough volume and then realized their power boost is not turned up.
As a sound engineer you will understand that 2 x12 kones run by the same power amp will instantly drop the volume. I don't know the science behind this but my simple understanding is in series the resistance doubles to 8 ohms, which means the power amp can only provide less power ( 300 watts I think). You can't run is parallel as the ohmage would drop below 4 ohms. This isn't subjective although appreciate its not all linear ( power vs volume etc).
I found running 2 speakers produced no more spread if stacked ( like a 2x12). That wasn't just me, no one in my band or when I gigged this config noticed. In fact 1x12 had a minor improvement. This is subjective and I suspect your difference might have been the cab itself - I used 2 Kabinets so it was consistant. Therefore would essentially be an eq rather than volume point.
Whilst I agree people should try it, its expensive to just buy speakers to try out ( retrun policies are not the same everywhere). My point is, logically "just" adding another speaker, particularly in the same cabinet will not increase volume which is what I experienced.
Happy to be corrected..
thanks for these thoughts. I'm sorry that I did not answer earlier!! right now I'm very busy with electronical problems with machines at my regular job. As soon as I'll find time I'm planning to prepare an electrotechnical/acoustical analysis about this topic. But that will take some time. I don’t want to speculate, so I’ll have to study some theory first to be able to explain it scientifically.
I use a 2x12" loaded with Kones. That works very well !
I guess 4x12" would be fun, they move a lot of air 
Just remembering the time when I had the 100W Marshall with the 4x12" V30 cabinet.... 
was a good feeling!
If I'll ever play in a Rock band again, I will get a second 2x12" and equip it with my spare Kones to use both of them together.
Display MoreTo try and kill this.....
First - I use a Kabinet with the Powerrack....during one rehearsal I decided to turn it up to painful levels - way louder than any loud drummer i've gigged with...and that showed on the power meter around 25 to 30 watts.
This is all different to spread and cut which play a huge part. I have found that the Kabinet has way, way more spread than a 4x12 even. With regards to cut, that depends on speaker placement and eq - if you sound clashes, it will get drowned out by the other instrument so finding your own sonic space is essential.
Comparing to PA speakers is pointless because they are dealing with different speakers. For example, 100w valve amp is plenty for a guitar but relatively low power for Bass guitar. PA speaker are FRFR but they have to contend with so many frequencies, whereas guitars are relatively narrow.
Finally,. this is all for monitoring only. Anyone trying to play purely off the backline, regardless of amp set up etc., will get problems.
So, anyone that does not get enough volume out of the kabinet for monitoring has either got a setting wrong or is deaf IMO.
I strongly disagree. That might be your experience, some people made others. You wrote:
"So, anyone that does not get enough volume out of the kabinet for monitoring has either got a setting wrong or is deaf IMO."
I think that is pretty offensive!! I'm neither deaf nor do I get the settings wrong (I'm electronic engineer with knowledge about electronics and acoustics).
And I'm not the only one who made this experience as you can read from more than one user!
Only because it works for you does not mean that it works for others. And if poeple don't agree with ones experiences, there is no need to get offensive.
I recommend to everybody, try it out yourself. Compare 1x12" Kone with 2x12" Kone and you'll find out what works better for you. I did that several times and in diferent situations and I came to my conclusion. So I would, if a drummer is involved, use 2x Kabinet or a 2x12" loaded with Kones (if you don't connect the Kemper to additional monitors on stage or PA for rehearsal)
Yup i had a gig not sufficient PA system so we went really loud. Bad smell as mentioned fuzzy sound. Speaker damaged. I go to pick up a second hand one suturday. Got trough the gig on another cab from other band. Sounded different. Was bummed. But you can blow these things. Hahaha.
with 2x12 Kone you should be able to manage situations like that. I don't trus 1x12 Kone anymore
Btw. 2x12 sounds better IMO
For playing live I think 4 FX slots should be enough for 99% of use cases, for me anyway.
I would not mess the display. Using the smartphone or tablet is much more convenient IMO. So you don't need to bend down with the guitar hanging around your neck.
The only thing that I would miss is the Looper (support already confirmed that his is not on board). It would be great for traveling purposes, playing in a hotel room with only this unit and a little speaker. Maybe they'll add it with a future upgrade...? There's much about weight and most the competitors do have the looper included.
It's great though that the unit supports Kone/Kabinet. So you can have a very light, simple, extremely flexible and incredibly good sounding little amp.
Guess I’ll have to order one. I already own a QuadCortex additional to my Kemper, which is also great, but I still prefer the KEMPER workflow somehow…
I don't see what could be the advantage over Kemper since this device does not even have a profiling (or capturing) functionality...
And... for live use IMO the Kemper Remote architecture is still the smartest of them all.
I would definitvely prefere a Kemper Stage with two Powered Kabinets
I had an Atomic Amplifire once and compared it to Kemper.
The form factor is nice. But I did not like the sound at all. It had strange digital artefacts in the sustain of a note. No problem for hight gain, but anoying IMO for overdrive and brake up tones.
Display MoreI wanted one and now I have one/ will soon have one
... from IK Multimedia
... when it's back in stock, it is sold out, right now at Thomann Germany
IMHO missed opportunity from Kemper.
Same here, always wished for a mini Kemper. Now I own a Quad Cortex
There's something interesting happening here in Switzerland
There's a website where you can buy used things.
Usually you could find only one or two Kempers there.
Since Tonex was released there are constantly five to ten Kempers for sale. Interesting...
not the right tone for this forum
you're right, I'm sorry, I apologise for my sarcasm
Also….How does one create an IR for a technology requiring a special speaker.and is specifically designed to eliminate the one thing an IR requires? That being a microphone to capture the sound. The response part of Impulse Response.
If it could be done, someone would have, and not just for imprints.
Didn't you understand what I wrote in my first post??
Shall I make a drawing for you?
I have been reading this sentence, admittedly with changing conclusions, ever since this forum went online around 10 years ago.
I haven't been in this comunity for so long. But the situation is not the same anymore than 10 years ago...
so... what about the IRs of the imprints?
That would be a great solution for other modelers that currently can't use the Kabinet....but it depends what the Kabinet is for.
I think you see it as a separate product, I see it as part of the eco system for Kemper..... so why would Kemper "give away" their tech to make other modelers sound better? They basically give away their USP....but its up to them if they see the additional sales of the Kabinet compensates for reduced sales of the KPA...
Analogy - Tesla are doing something similar by opening up their Superchargers to non Tesla manufacturers...which is starting to annoy Tesla owners as it was one of the reasons they bought the car - the robust charge network. Nothing more infuriating queuing to charge when a space is taken up by a Volvo...
You are right, they have to decide which way to go. But it could also be good marketing possibility for Kemper. If somebody buys and likes the Kabinet, he might also try the Kemper.
If they want to remain in the market, they have to release upgraded devices anyway (soon!!). Kone/Kabinet technology will not be enough to make a difference.
Anyway, I’m a technician not a salesman, so I prefer thinking about technical solutions 😉
In fact, you want a Quand Cortex
(if you don't have already one)
Just ask Neural Dsp to improve it, it'll be faster....
Just bought a Quad Cortex. And yes… it would be great to have a Kemper which performs like the Quad Cortex.
Kemper does many things better, but so does QC.
If there would be a Kemper 2 with “best of both worlds” I wold be very happy !!
Imagine a Kemper with the processing power and accuracy of the QC but with all the advantages of the Kemper Universe…. Great !!
Kemper Kone works great, also for Acoustic guitar or Bass guitar. (I’m using several units, Kabinet and Kones in 2x12” Cabinets)
It would be great if Kemper could release official Impulse Responses for all the imprints, also Linear. So anybody could use the Kone / Kabinet with any digital device, just loading the Kone Impulse Responses.
It would also be a possibility to improve the power Kabinet with an additional "general input" driven by a small DSP section. There could be a selector for FRFR and all the possible Imprints. This improved power Kabinet could be used with any modeler or acoustic guitar. Even for people who use only effect boards without an amplifier, this could be a great solution.
I tried it out, the free version with few options.
Some Amps have digital artefacts or howewer it can be called (if you play very dinamic, you hear like a secong distorted sound when the notes fade out)
But there is a Fender Princeton Capture in there... wow, I could never in any way get that realistic feel and sparkling sound with the Kemper.
I checked it with studio monitors but also with: Interface output -> digital power amp -> guitar speaker
I guess it is really time that Kemper works on new products with more processing power!
I just bought a used Mooer Preamp Model X2 for 80.- Euro. I read that Mooer has it’s own profiling system with MNRS Profiles and I wanted to check it out.
The X2 is a very simple tool where you can use the Mooer Modeling (which IMO does not sound accurate, and quite digital) but the interesting thing is the MNRS technology. With some bigger units these profiles can be made and also with the GE Labs software from Mooer. X2 has also an IR loader where you can load your own IRs.
There are profiles on the Mooer website, some only Preamps, some with power amp and speaker (there you have to switch OFF the IR).
Now of course I did some comparison with the Kemper.
First of all, many of the MNRS profiles have digital artefacts, that means with distorted profiles you can hear a “second distorted sound” in the background when you play very soft and dynamic. But some profiles do not have this error. Using the built in IR loader in the X2, the sound is not that good, but there the “power amp” (profile) is missing. X2 to Audio Interface and then using the Wall Of Sound VST (Torpedo) the sound was very good. I would say almost on pair with the Kemper.
The next test setting was:
X2 to the Wall Of Sound plugin and then to a digital power amp an then to a 1x12” guitar speaker
Compared with
Kemper to the same power amp and guitar speaker
Big surprise, the X2 was at least on pair with the Kemper. The sound and feel was very good.
Next step
X2 to a tube amp power amp input compared with the Kemper with 2x Kemper Kabinet.
Surprise, the X2 and tube amp was more realistic in sound and feel than the Kemper system.
Conclusion:
The sound of the MNRS preamps in this tiny cheap stomp box can be at least as good as the Kemper profiles if set up properly. Of course Kemper is better in many other ways, but it’s really time for a Kemper upgrade. Mini Kemper would be great, but now with improved profiling sound.
Since I have 2 Kemper profilers, I guess it’s time to sell one of them and check out a Quad Cortex. I’m interested to find out how that sounds.
Did anybody of you try out the MNRS technology so far?
If you interested and plan to do that, take your time to search for good profiles. X2 is very cheep
I used the Harley Benton GPA-400 for some time, worked really good! you can use it stereo and bridge for mono. I used it for a 4x12, that was loud enough
