Amp Layering Problem.

    Ok guys, I seem to be the only one having these problems as far as I know.


    I've tried all sorts with phase and even sample accurate alignment.


    I'm reamping one single DI through two profiles which is the left rhythm DI from this thread http://www.ultimatemetal.com/f…over-mixing-practice.html


    Here's the DI through a Recto profile.
    https://copy.com/uOb9Acx6wYfs


    Here's the DI through a 6505 profile.
    https://copy.com/uOb9Acx6wYfs


    They sound fine seperately, but when combined they sound strange.
    https://copy.com/uOb9Acx6wYfs


    Here's the same clip with the phase flipped on one of the reamps.
    https://copy.com/r6kVB04vqgs9


    Constant latency was on at all times.


    Specs as below


    Windows 8 x64
    Focusrite Saffire Pro 14
    Reaper 4.402 x64
    Kemper Firmware 2.0.0 SVN8573
    44.1khz 24bit Buffer size is currently 2048 due to a heavy session prior to this little test, but it doesn't seem to change anything.


    I'm running out of Output 3 (TR/TRS) on the Focusrite into the rear XLR input on a Little Labs Redeye then out of the reamp out of the Redeye to the Kemper, back in to Inputs 3/4 on the Focusrite (TR/TRS).


    Any ideas guys? This is really bugging me!

    there is a slight misalignment between the two tracks.
    If I shift the Recto track 3 samples back, they line up perfectly and the previously missing high end is there and the 'garble' is gone)


    Are you absolutely positive that the 'constant latency' feature was on for both recordings?
    (Output/Master menu, last page, the rightmost soft button. If it's lit, the constant Latency is on, no message etc is displayed)

    Alinging two amp sounds will not necessarily produce pleasant results.
    Just doing alignments by eye will not have the best results.
    It's like combining and mixing two or more microphones on the same cabinet.
    It needs some time to find the right position and relative distance.


    Since many profiles are made with multiple microphones already, combining profiles does not make a fatter result.

    Quote from ckemper

    Since many profiles are made with multiple microphones already, combining profiles does not make a fatter result.


    especially not if you're simply reamping the same DI track with different rigs.
    Fatness, width and everything else that is good about multitracking comes from performing the part repeatedly. The slight (but welcome) imperfections in timing, pitch and articulation are what matters, not how many amp layers you create with one and the same DI track.


    just my 2 cents ;)

    Here's a tip how it might work. I know Jerry Cantrell from Alice in Chains does this all the time and he has a sick guitar tone.


    So let's say you want to reamp the same audiofile multiple times. Try three different profiles. One would be for the bass, one for the mids and one for the highs. Of course don't forget to eq each track afterwards properly and divide them in those three categories. Haven't tried it myself but if done properly you might get better results then now.


    But like Don said it's always better to record two takes with two different profiles then using two profiles on the same track.