Yes yes yes good sound after about six mounths.

  • After more then six months my Kemper now sound excellent.


    Is this a long story: yes, too long then only read the last few lines.


    On my Asian 1 mounth holiday, Oktober 2012, I heard about the Kemper, read as many as possible, look any Youtubes and decided from my vacation address to order an Kemper on the internet.


    So after holiday when I arrived at home there was my big surprise.I played about 2 days with the Kemper, changes many settings, downloaded many profiles, but the sound: nothing special. I had the same with the Eleven Rack (wich I gave away after 5 mounths). Even before I was never satisfied with my JVM205c, Crate amp, Valvetronix AD120vtx, Class 5, Bulk Sonica, Blues Junior/Deluxe, Hotrod?s, H&K etc. I always spend money about amps, but always try to play the cheap guitars (wood is wood and strings are strings). My latest cheap guitar is an Ibanez JS100. Oktober 2012 I changed the stock elements with Dimarzios Mo Joe's ans Elixer strings. Sound a little bit better but not special, did a few gigs and nobody complained, so?



    How did the Kemper sound with the JS100: it sound bad, like somebody say if there was a blanket in front of my speakers, it sound hollow, too many bass, harsh, to much high etc. I downloades hundreds of profiles from the library, tried the stock profiles. Only 5% of all the profiles sound a little bit ok, the rest was unusefull. Allways started with all effect off, onlyÿamp, eq, cabs.Changed: cabs, changed clean/distorted setting, volumes before and after the amp. Nothing works well.


    I read the last months more then 100 treats, trying to get my sound alright. Take it to the rehearsal room, tried it with different PA'ss, tried it direct into tubes heads, combo's, transistor amps (in the front, in de fx-returns, direct in the power section). Of course with cabs on and off, with monitor out, master out (xlr/trs). Very far away I could hear the potential of the Kemper, but the magic keep stuck deep away.


    I read everything on the forum about (active) monitors. Read about the JBL's, RCF's, Yamaha's, EV's etc.


    At home I have an Dynacord powermade 800 and 4 x EV-Z90's + 2 subs. Tried everything on the Powermate: mic-in, trs-in (stereo), poweramp-in etc. in combination with Kemper: monitor out, master out (xlr, trs), tried all possible combinations, to exclude what course the bad sound. Of course tried many (type) EQ is many stomp positions, changed in the amp-sections all settings, only clarity give a little bit better sound. Changed the master- out and monitor-out EQ, changed cabs setting. Tried an Crown 1500xls with the EV's and with some guitarcabs: it not sound good.


    Read again many stuff on the Kemper forum about PA and monitors and decided to buy 2 x Yamaha DXR12. There was not a big different in sound between using de xlr/trs on the DXR, only volume wise. With the new DXR's a little bit better sound than the (passive) EV-Z90, but nothing magic.
    Read treats about how guitars influence your Kemper sound, read about what CK writes about the better sound with better guitars. I am from Holland so I think bla bla bla?. (why expensive when you can do it cheap)


    Maybe I bought an Kemper with bad AD-DA converters or other problems (I had 1 problem with the Eleven Rack). Changed to older OS, did some factory resets, (init) flash memories etc. No better result.


    Did an small gig straight in de DXR12's as FOH and the sound was ok, not special because it fits in with the voice, drums and bass (take all bass on the Kemper out under 100Hz). The Kemper not sound special but it sound ok. So everybody (drum, bass. Voice, guitar) into the small Dynacord Powermade 800 and the trs master-out from the Powemate to the xlr-in from the DXR.


    Another gig with a bigger Dynacord PA was also ok, Kemper xlr-out straight to the FOH and Kemper monitor-out to 2 x DXR12. And here the same, the Kemper sound ok (fits in the total sound) but nothing magic. Some college musicians say the guitar sound good, but for me not special.


    In both gigs I had to finetune my live-direkt-PA sound during the first 4 songs, because making a sound on sleepingroom volume is something else than stage-sound or direct PA-sound. Later at home I played my "live sound" presets and they sound horrible.


    Sometimes a stock profile did work well ( 6 on the scale from 1-10), but never better than an 6. Those few profiles (about 10) with an scale:6 I used live.


    Every weekend I tried different settings and finally I take the Kemper to a friend with Protools 9 and Yamaha H50 studiomonitors. And there a little bit of magic comes . I play with his (more expensive) guitars (Les Pauls, Fender customs etc.) an yes the sound was getting better. With my JS100 over his Yamaha?s H50 the sound was better then at my home, especially when I brought the Mo Joe's more up to the strings.


    Back home (JS100-Kemper-DXR12) tried again everything and the little big magic was gone.So I thought my DXR are not flat (EQ) enough?


    I already told my friend for many months that I had something special and they can sell (most of) their tube amps, (like I did) because the Kemper is the solution. But last months I was thinking about selling my Kemper, because the sound was nothing special. But how I could sell (or give away) my Kemper while I said to all my guitar friends for months they have to sell an Kemper (because so many people on the forum or youtube are veryÿsatisfied with the Kemper). So I decided to keep the Kemper and buy some "professional profiles", especially Marshall Plexi professional profiles, because all plexi profiles hurt my ears (harsh). With these professional profiles deep deep deep away I could hear the "magic" glassy sound of the professional profiles, but not with the JS100-Kemper-DXR12.


    I had 2 more new Dimarzio Mo Joe's and I decide to build them in an cheap Squire stagemaster. I read the wiring diagram and placed the element, skipping the potentalmeters etc., so straight from the element to the guitar-output jack. Re-used the, I think, 5 year old strings, plugged into the Kemper and DXR and: YES it good quite sound. I had all elements wiring outsidethe guitar, so I could change quickly single spool to humbucker and vice versa, could change polarities etc. Sometimes when changing polarities (red,black, white and green wires) the good sound was gone. And then I remembered something?


    And what was the problem: my elementsÿin the cheap JS100. I did put the bridge pickup in the wrong direction (oktober/november 2012). I tested it with turning the bridge Mo Joe pickup (90 degrees). The pickups where probably out of fase and now the polarity between the pickups are ok.


    Why dit I not mentioned a good sound with some other of my guitars? Because they have not good sounding elements (quite normal on cheap guitars). But any cheap guitar with good elements can sound good with the Kemper (JS100). And did an expensive Les Paul (euro 3200) soundÿdirectly good with the Kemper. Not always, I tested an cheaper? LP (euro 1800) and it sound better with most stock profiles. Problbly it is an combination of quitar + element(s) + Kemper.


    No no it must be: guitar + element(s) + profile(s), because the Kemper is out of question.


    Conclusion1: the MAGIC is coming?.. The searching is not over I gonna test with many other guitars (friends) and profiles (i have to go through about 800 profiles again) to find some good combinations.
    Conclusion2: not good sound? It can never be the kemper?..
    My problem were the elements on my guitar.

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  • Intersting story, glad you stuck with it though.
    Sometimes things just click!. - like the real amp life, some amps are magical with a certain type of guitar.. and then you try another and its dull and flat!. and also everyone hears frequencies differently, although they don't change, but our perception of them do. - you can have a amazing sound in once place, and not in another. - the solution is knowing what to adjust and when. - if you already know something sounds great, then you know its not your equipment, but more of how you use it, and the knowledge of getting the best out of what you have.


    With every new gear, there is a learning curve, most pro bands have a team of dedicated experts to spend a few days setting up sound.. - most bands playing out today, have just themselves and 30 mins to setup. - so to get the best out of it you first need to understand what it is your doing, and where the problems and solutions to those problems come from in order to be your advantage..

  • Hallo And44,


    By the way i think i bought your profile pack (pack 5 i think) so i gonna dig them later this week.


    And yes everything is an learning curve.
    For me i do that always by excluding things, using different kabels, aks many people how things sound, trying different in- and outputs etc.
    The only thing i did not do in the last few months was playing with an good guitar through the Kemper and the DXR's (and other PA's)
    Other wise i knew months ago what i now know.


    Greetings,
    Peter.

  • Ah cool story , too bad you didn't try a classic guitar well setup sooner !


    I had an Issue with my US strat while my other guitar performed very well ( classic non high gain stuff). The Pu were almost lifeless. I bought a little squier strat for 150€ body & neck ( classic vibe = very nice series ) put some real electronics and Jeff Beck noiseless pickups in it, had it wired by a pro, then did the setup by myself (which I learnt during this process !)...
    I plugged it in the KPA , instant magic : warmth, smooth , punchy ... For 350€ I had this strat that put the US strat to shame , I sold the US strat.


    This guitar can be heard on this trackwhere I played all tracks with it (the bass, the fills, the clean, the solo, the backgrounds ...) with a single rig :). Fun stuff is that the rig in itself is a home made rig made from a boogie I also sold just after, the rigs also outperforming the amp ... The whole selling covered the price of my KPA :D and I ended up playing guitar 10 times more than before and recording enough songs to get a full album in the last 12 months ( I just did one recording before the KPA).


    It's true that some minor adjustments like the height between the strings & PU can totally change the game in terms of tone, dynamics & feel.

  • Haha Waraba,


    Your story looks very like mine perception.
    And now finally i find out an good sound it is an combination of things.
    I had to knew this a long time because i owned for a long time an studio and livestage.
    For guitarsound now i found the combination that's satisfied me.
    JS100 +Kemper+DXR, it's not yet an 10, but certain an 8 (with certain profiles)
    The coming week i gonna try different guitars from cheap until expensive.
    And try a lot of profiles (and keep only the ones that sound immediatly good without changing to much).
    Later then finetuning these presets and go on stage again.


    Gr. Peter.

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  • I tend to agree. I have some guitars that i like better overall with the Kemper. The only similarity between them is that they dont have hot pickups in em (a strat w/ lollars, Heritage 555 with Fralin P92's (p90s basically) and an LP with Wolfetone Dr Vintage HB's).. My other guitars with hotter pickups dont rock the KPA quite as well IMO, even with high gain rigs (Maton MS2000 w/modded Duncan JB, PRS w/WCR Goodwoods).


    Im a firm believer that almost any straight playing guitar can sound and play pretty great with 3 simple things: New strings - Pickups that suit your style - and a good setup. More practice doesnt ever seem to hurt either :thumbup:


    Good to hear your closing in on the tones your after Allright. Sometimes the search is as much fun as the find.


    Oh yeah, "sleepingroom volume".. haha.. awesome. I'm gonna use that term from now on :D

  • Hola Greenblob,


    I translate my Dutch straight to English, that's why name it sleepingroom volume.
    But for sure there is a lot of difference between single guitar sound and let's name it in the band sound.
    Now i like the FRFR way of playing, because in front of the speakers the sounds is almost everywhere the same, especially for the audience.


    By the way the Mo Joe's are "middle hot" pickups and can be split coil to single coil, maybe that's the reason why the sound ok with the Ibanez, they sound very
    like Fender coils. As i said i tried a LP VOS gold with P90's but it was not better than the Ibanez. I have an (100 euro) Suzuki gitaar that sound even ok with the Kemper. Tomorrow is friday, that's my kemper day. I go through a few hundreds presets and at evening go drink a few Heineken's and talk about music with some friend. So trying again to convinced everybody into a Kemper, tralala...


    Adios Allright.

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  • Allright, Glad to here you stuck with it. All guitars are not built equal. You build a house from the basement up, so starting with a good guitar ( not neccessarily expensive)helps to get your tone. Keep playin :thumbup: Paul

  • Hi Whippinpost9 1850,


    Thanks for your reaction.



    Yes i'm still searching for my tone....
    I bought an extra strat to check de KPA+DXR12's
    And Pack5 from Armin en Pack6 and the U-Marshall pack from Andy.
    So i have something to do this week :)


    Adios,
    Peter.