What are some good options? Any recommendations?
2x12 active FRFR cab options
- wcfieldskx
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It seems that 2-cone FRFR are quite problematic if you really want a linear response. I don't think you can find any good one around (if what you're after is a real FRFR cab).
Mission has been trying recently after famous give-ups such as Matrix'
http://missionengineering.com/?product=gemini-2
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Matrix and xitone have fr 2x12 that seem to sound pretty legit in clips.
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There's also the Camper 212 which is flat response, but not full range.
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Let me specify: anything can sound "good" to one's ear. A good linearity is a different beast tho. That's why I wrote that it all depends on whan one is after.
At the end of the day, what makes you and your audience happy is what matters most
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Not me.
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Not me.
Only a matter of time LOl -
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... Is there anything you guys should tell me?
PS: Neither me... and not a matter of time as for me
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passive: http://www.kpa-solutions.com/cabinets/blueamps-212-fr/
active: http://www.kpa-solutions.com/amps/blueamps-212-fr-a/There will be passive cabs in 8 and 16 ohms in the future too.
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I use a Roland KC-880 stereo keyboard amp. It's big and heavy, but it's got casters and a built-in 5 ch mixer. Sounds satisfactory (could use a bit less treble and bit more low mids, but that's what the EQ's for), and looks guitar-cabby enough on stage that it doesn't seem out of place.
-djh
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Why do you need both cones in a single enclosure? IMHO, you'll get better results from separated speakers. Go for two 1x12" FRFR speakers, it might even be easier to transport on your own.
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The OP didn't mention if he was looking for a stereo or mono operation. The Camper FR212 is mono and the same is for the Matrix FR212. At my knowledge for a stereo FRFR in one box the only choices at the moment are the Misssion Gemini 2X10 and the Camper Blueamp Blue 3 which is a FRFR 2X8 in one cab. Both seem to promise very high quality and both are not especially cheap too.
But, as Viabcroce mentioned in an other thread, what kind of stereo spread can we get from two speakers so near from each other?...
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Camper 212 is stereo but not FRFR. BlueAmps 212 FR is 2x12 mono FRFR, BlueAmps Blue 3 is 2x8 stereo FRFR and a BlueAmps Ultimate is a 2x12 stereo FRFR. There are no "Camper FR212" or "Camper Blueamps".
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Camper 212 is stereo but not FRFR. BlueAmps 212 FR is 2x12 mono FRFR, BlueAmps Blue 3 is 2x8 stereo FRFR and a BlueAmps Ultimate is a 2x12 stereo FRFR. There are no "Camper FR212" or "Camper Blueamps".
What I meant!
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My setup is always stereo.
2011-2013: KPA, stereo amp (class D) and 2x BlueAmps 212 FR
[Blocked Image: http://www.kpa-solutions.com/w…amps-cab-212-fr/image.jpg]In 2013 I decided, that I didn´t want to carry 2 cabs around and designed a stereo active 2x12 FRFR cab (BlueAmps Ultimate/). Although the pressure of one 2x12 was enough for me. Sending stereo to the FoH and hearing a mono signal on stage is no option for me. I always wanted real stereo. The stereo spread of 2 pieces of 1x12 and 2 meters between is better, but you have to place the one 1x12 to your right in front of you and the other one to the left, to get real stereo. But who does it that way? .. I´m happy with my Ultimate. One amp, one KPA, one footswitch and that´s it.
by the way: Andreas Schmid-Martelle plays the Ultimate too, but as a 2x12 wedge.
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what kind of stereo spread can we anticipated from your stereo boxes?
Consider that, w/o "special fx" based on phase distortion and EQ, the best stereo effect is got when your distance from each loudspeaker is equal to the distance between them.
From there on, getting closer or farer makes the stereo effect progressively looser/fake.Since we're talking of playing guitar and not a full music program, there's a margin for approximation (a well-rendered stereo image not being a priority for the application). But if you stay at double the loudspeakers' distance from the sound front you start missing things around.
@Guitarrenschlumpf: why do you say "you have to place the one 1x12 to your right in front of you and the other one to the left"? The best placement would be perfectly symmetrical (left and right at the same distance). Any other placement would side-offset the perceived source position. Not that this makes for an easier cabs placement of course
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Yes. Symmetrical is the best way. I meant this too. .. There are some guys (Steve Lukather did this in the past), who place 4 or more wedges around them, so it's not symmetrically. Who cares, if it sounds good.
