Best way to profile without a cab.........

    I have profiled a couple of my amps using the standard method drawn out in the Kemper manual with an SM57 micing a cab and they turned out ok, but I also profiled my Fender Cyber Twin and it has a direct out on it that I used instead of micing the cab and I sent that directly to the Kemper instead of micing it and it turned out great and was super easy!!


    Doing the direct out I put a pair of headphones in the cyber headphone jack which bypasses (turned off the sound coming from the speakers making the amp quiet) the 2x12 speakers and allowed me to profile and do an A/B with the Kemper Profile and the Reference Amp in the same room without the bleed over you would have when you use the mic setup.


    That got me really trying to find a solution that would allow me to essentially give any amp head a direct out in that fashion so that I could bypass the need for micing a cab at all.


    Does anyone know of a way to do this? ?(


    I was trying to do this with just a di box but couldn't figure it out........I then heard about a Suhr Reactive Load thinking that may be the way to go, but I'm not sure..........then I also was reading about a DI box from Hughes and Kettner called the redbox and thought that may be the way to go.


    I know what I am asking for sounds like a really simple thing, but I can't for the life of me find a simple way, or read of someone else doing it to let me know if it is possible and what I need to be able to achieve this.


    In a summary............


    I am looking for a solution to allow me to get a direct signal (emulating what an amp would sound like had i micd it up) to send directly to the Kemper for profiling but without the need for the head that i am profiling to have a cabinet.


    Is this possible, and if so what do i need?


    Thank you Kemper People!!! :D


    J.

    Kemper Profiler Rack ---- Carvin DCM1000L Power Amp ---- Peavey 5150 4x12 Cab ---- Fender Cyber Twin ---- Peavey Transtube Bandit 1x12 ---- BOSS GT-10 Floor Pedal ---- Carvin Custom CT6 ---- Peavey Wolfgang Standard ---- EVH Frankenstein Replica ---- Taylor 814CE Acoustic


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    For the best results, the people at Kemper suggest always using a cabinet, and making Direct Amplifier Profiles (connect an appropriate Direct Box between the amplifier and cabinet).


    You can make them with a "load box", but, according to Kemper, they will not be as authentic as when you use a cabinet. there are users who are very happy with the results they get from this method, though.


    Here is an example:


    http://www.palmer-germany.com/…box-2-x-8-Ohms-PLB2X8.htm

    Very interested in this as I don't think you can make a Profile with just a DI box and a tube amp with no cab. I thought the tube amp needs a load on it as in don't turn it on or use it without a cab plugged in or bad juju can happen. But the thought of not having to turn up my MB MarkV with a 2x12 Recto to above comfortable volumes in my living room and not being able to put the cab in a separate room sounds like heaven. Only tried a Studio Profile one time so far and wasn't a good experience to start with, errors using SM57 (volume to low or something not connected). Anyway I'll watch for tips on this. Thanks again Paul for the input.

    So it seems that for what I am trying to do I would need a load box. It appears that this particular example has 2 inputs.......do you have any idea how I would need to use this to get a profile? Not sure how to go about running this from the amp head that I want to profile to this load box....then to the Kemper......


    Do I need a di box as well?


    This stuff is really confusing to me.....I believe I am over thinking it but I can't wrap my head around this at all. ?(


    From what I have seen I think that this Suhr Reactive Load would work but I don't know enough about how to go about this and was looking for someone that has done this, which I know there has to be someone that has had this dilemma on this forum. Haha......I would hope that I am not alone in this struggle. :)


    http://www.suhr.com/amplifiers…ic-guitars/Reactive-Load/
    Can anyone take a look at this and let me know if this will do what I am needing? If so does anyone know the way to connect it properly?


    Thanks.


    J.

    Kemper Profiler Rack ---- Carvin DCM1000L Power Amp ---- Peavey 5150 4x12 Cab ---- Fender Cyber Twin ---- Peavey Transtube Bandit 1x12 ---- BOSS GT-10 Floor Pedal ---- Carvin Custom CT6 ---- Peavey Wolfgang Standard ---- EVH Frankenstein Replica ---- Taylor 814CE Acoustic


    My YouTube Page: http://www.youtube.com/e51v50h/videos

    Yeah Zap.......that is my reasoning exactly. Sounds like heaven to be able to have the head beside you and not have to worry about bad things happening by not connecting the amp to a cab. It would be great for A/B with the Kemper and Reference too because everything you need would be in the same room.....no need in walking back and forth for mic placement changes and auditions. :)


    It sounds like a no brainer..........but after searching for answers I oddly couldn't really find anyone talking about this in detail at all........hence the start of this thread. Hopefully someone will chime in that has done this. :)

    Kemper Profiler Rack ---- Carvin DCM1000L Power Amp ---- Peavey 5150 4x12 Cab ---- Fender Cyber Twin ---- Peavey Transtube Bandit 1x12 ---- BOSS GT-10 Floor Pedal ---- Carvin Custom CT6 ---- Peavey Wolfgang Standard ---- EVH Frankenstein Replica ---- Taylor 814CE Acoustic


    My YouTube Page: http://www.youtube.com/e51v50h/videos

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    For the best results, the people at Kemper suggest always using a cabinet, and making Direct Amplifier Profiles (connect an appropriate Direct Box between the amplifier and cabinet).


    I'm still a little unclear as to where to set Master volume on the amp being profiled. Will this and/or the reactance of the specific speaker being used as a load, have a significant impact on a Direct Amp profile? Can anyone shed any light here?

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    I'm still a little unclear as to where to set Master volume on the amp being profiled. Will this and/or the reactance of the specific speaker being used as a load, have a significant impact on a Direct Amp profile? Can anyone shed any light here?


    Yes, tube amps drive the speaker load differently with different output levels, and typically have more dynamic response with higher master volume levels. The amount of preamp level driving the poweramp section will also influence the dynamic response to the profiling signals.


    So.....you would set the master volume to give you the sound(s) you want. No rules - just Rock! :)

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    I'm still a little unclear as to where to set Master volume on the amp being profiled. Will this and/or the reactance of the specific speaker being used as a load, have a significant impact on a Direct Amp profile? Can anyone shed any light here?


    When I was first trying Studio Profiles with the SM57, if I turned the volume on the amp down to a ear acceptable level I would get low volume errors. When I finally did get a profile to take, I had to walk out of my great room which is 23x25' because I would have been deaf if I remained in the room while the aliens were landing.

    Only 1 under my belt and didn't bother to try again yet.. Don't believe that there is a YT video anywhere that does a tips and tricks for Profiling that I know of cause I have seen requested here often. I don't think it would hurt any of our Commercial Profiler friends on this forum if someone gave away a step by step on how they get some good profiles from start to finish. Cause I surely ain't going to retire on what my MB could put out for me, haha!! I did get the Behringer Ultra-G but haven't used it yet either till I find some more info.

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    So.....you would set the master volume to give you the sound(s) you want. No rules - just Rock!


    This is what common sense had me thinking, but I was hoping it might be less relevant when making a Direct Amp profile (and perhaps it is, with the speaker outside the profiled loop, but it sounds like it isn't irrelevant.) I guess making decent profiles with a sleeping baby upstairs is still out of the question. :)

    I was researching on a couple other forums and I found this..........


    Any thoughts on if this could be the best to use as an all around solution to DI to the Kemper?


    www.palmer-germany.com/mi/en/PDI-03-Speaker-Simulator-with-Loadbox-16-Ohms-PDI03L16.htm


    J.

    Kemper Profiler Rack ---- Carvin DCM1000L Power Amp ---- Peavey 5150 4x12 Cab ---- Fender Cyber Twin ---- Peavey Transtube Bandit 1x12 ---- BOSS GT-10 Floor Pedal ---- Carvin Custom CT6 ---- Peavey Wolfgang Standard ---- EVH Frankenstein Replica ---- Taylor 814CE Acoustic


    My YouTube Page: http://www.youtube.com/e51v50h/videos

    Quote from mbenigni

    I guess making decent profiles with a sleeping baby upstairs is still out of the question.


    Making profiles of your amps may require volume. But, there are some well loved profiles that were made at apartment volume (like, the Morgan AC20, for example).


    Do you still have your GR-55? You can profile it as quiet as you like. Send a mono signal into one of the 6 guitar inputs on the 13 pin jack, and make some modeled guitars/amps, acoustics, etc.

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    Making profiles of your amps may require volume. But, there are some well loved profiles that were made at apartment volume (like, the Morgan AC20, for example).


    I love that Morgan profile - it's almost always the mid-gain slot in my performance mode arrangement.


    Quote from paults

    Do you still have your GR-55? You can profile it as quiet as you like. Send a mono signal into one of the 6 guitar inputs on the 13 pin jack, and make some modeled guitars/amps, acoustics, etc.


    Yes I do still have it, and I made a few direct profiles with it last year - some of them very cool. Unfortunately (you may recall my posting about this) I accidentally deleted them all while I was playing around with firmware/factory content revisions. :rolleyes: Another project to get back to "one of these days". Right after I finish my GR55/ TouchOSC YouTube videos... those are only three years late LOL.