Inheriting slots from other performances

    In a set many songs use the same sounds, but then most songs require a special lead sound or a nice effect for the bridge.
    Currently that means having a lot of replication in your performances. Consider this example:


    Performance A:
    Slot 1: Clean
    Slot 2: Crunch
    Slot 3: Swirly Bridge
    Slot 4: Lead


    Performance B:
    Slot 1: Clean
    Slot 2: Crunch
    Slot 3: Heavy gain
    Slot 4: Lead


    -- The solution: --


    I use a Gordius Little Giant midi controller and it has a great feature: inheritance between banks (songs). Here's the example again:


    Performance A:
    Slot 1: Clean
    Slot 2: Crunch
    Slot 3: Swirly Bridge
    Slot 4: Lead


    Performance B:
    Slot 1: [inherited from A]
    Slot 2: [inherited from A]
    Slot 3: Heavy gain
    Slot 4: [inherited from A]


    Performance C:
    Slot 1: [inherited from A]
    Slot 2: [inherited from A]
    Slot 3: [inherited from A]
    Slot 4: Lead with extra delay


    ^ when I find a nicer clean profile or some new sweet crunch tone I don't have to go around copying and pasting all over the place. Those slots are linked to the one in A. Change it once and all performances where that tone is relevant are updated.


    It's a nice midpoint between locking and having everything seperate. It works extremely well in the Gordius to create new banks with minor differences.
    What do you guys think?

    It would be nice if I could decide on my own, if I want it that way or the "old" way.
    But having the option would be nice!

    Haha the quote wasn't really necessary there. I agree, it has to be an option. It doesn't have to be a system setting or anything though. The third soft-button is unused currently, it could host an "Inherit" menu.


    When that is clicked show a view that allows:
    - selecting a performance to inherit from
    - copy to this performance and stop inheriting


    It could also be put under Edit -> Slot settings but that would be a bit too hidden for my taste.

    Quote from paults

    Welcome!


    I have copies of my Performances saved in Rig Manager. When I want to add one with "inherited slots", I paste the entire Performance into a new location in the KPA, and make whatever changes are needed.

    But that's not the same as in the feature request, isn't it?

    Yes! someone that thinks like I do. Forever I've bemoaned the fact that there isn't a digital device out there that solves the one issue with modeling/multieffect devices.


    Most traditional guitarist typically have a handful of stock tones from clean to lead that they use live. Say Clean, slightly broken up, crunch lead or whatever. They traditionally get these 3-5 core sounds with overdrive pedals, amp channels or a combination.


    However as soon as you go to one of the multi-effect units, from Kemper, Helix, AxxFX, or older stuff like Pod, Tonelab, etc. They all have one fatal flaw, irrespective to how authentic the tone is.


    As soon as you use these units for their most convenient factor: the ability to create banks full of easily accessible combinations of effects, they create their biggest weakness:


    We live guitarists like to tweak our 3-5 core sounds, which we've likely copied and pasted into many different banks to use with different combinations of effects or even the same combinations with nothing changed but the BPM. We can never seem to permanently make up our mind how high we want the gain, or treble, or whatever. However, as soon as you've created banks full of patches, you can't make quick last minute adjustments to your core "clean" sound or "lead" sound. Why? Because you have copied and pasted in various places across the banks.


    It's this reason that lots of guitarists get sick of digital and go back to simple amps and overdrive pedals, and buy a multi audio loop switcher and continue to use the complex preset based mod, del, and reverb pedals. Because even with the complexity that this set up brings, at least you can bend down and adjust your gain pedal eq or whatever and every single preset on your switcher that uses that pedal or amp channel will be fixed with one twist of the knob. You don't have to go to all 17 presets that uses that overdrive pedal and adjust it and hit save three times, or copy and paste and hit save three times on 17 different presets.

    I came up with this solution and got crickets in response. In my opinion, it is the last major hurdle that would solve one of the two main issues with multi-effect devices. Authentic tone being the other, which Kemper has already solved. Well, Citizen Gain responded that something like this was in the works. Everyone else would rather carry on on hundreds of pages across multiple threads about the lack of spring reverb.


    Global stacks

    Maybe you missunderstood my post.
    I really like my Kemper.
    But I don't like the software RigManager.
    That's a big difference!

    Yes! That is exactly the problem.


    My solution doesn't really solve the "my core crunch tone, but with delay" problem. But it at least takes all the exact duplicates out of the equasion.

    Quote from Grooguit

    I came up with this solution and got crickets in response. In my opinion, it is the last major hurdle that would solve one of the two main issues with multi-effect devices. Authentic tone being the other, which Kemper has already solved. Well, Citizen Gain responded that something like this was in the works. Everyone else would rather carry on on hundreds of pages across multiple threads about the lack of spring reverb.


    Global stacks

    Sorry to hear that. but glad that we share the same opinion ;)


    My solution is a bit simpler than yours. Yours is more powerful but mine might be slightly easier to implement (also UI-wise), there's all kinds of ways to go about it. Either way I hope Kemper can do something about the core issue of duplication.