I understand what you are saying. I have a Two Notes Torpedo Reload which I used with Wall of Sound IRs prior to getting my Kemper.
Th eway I interpret the Kemper "philosophy" is that it aims to capture the sound of a signal chain from amp to speaker to mic and even mic preamp or mixing desk channel strip.
An IR captures the signal chain from Speaker onward. So in reality the only difference is that the Kemper includes the amp whereas the IR needs the amp to be added. Even though the way they achieve it is different, the philosophy seems very similar to me - capture a real sound and allow it to be used any time anywhere.
Where things differ is with software like Two Notes Wall of Sound which lets you switch mics and mic placement to create your own new sounds from the IR. I don't know how they actually achieve this but is must be some sort of modelling or blending between different IRs (unless they literally capture each mic/cab combination at hundreds of different locations and the software is just a visual interface for selecting which one you want to use. The technology behind this stuff is WAY above my head
As far as I can make out those "official packs" are more a marketing thing for Celestion than a fundamentally different type of preset. Ultimately they are just Kemper cabinets. I don't suppose there is anything to stop another (or multiple other) speaker manufacture(s) from asking Kemper to include their "official" packs in the factory content but I don't necessarily see the benefit of an "official" pack versus any of the existing cabinets made as part of profiling by any of the commercial profilers already in the market.
If it is a matter of having the cabinet portion available as a preset which makes it easier to mix and match then that can already be done. There are a couple of ways to do it.
1 - Lock All but Cabinet. Then browse rigs in Rig Manager. This will keep everything about the selected rig the same except the cabinet. Every time you audition a new profile the cabinet will be added to the existing locked rig. It is super easy and fast to change cabs this way.
2 - If you want to create a smaller number of presets that you can find quickly and use on ant rig later then simply find a rig with a cabinet that you like. Now drag the cabinet block from the editor pane onlto the Presets Local Library. You will now find the cabinet in the preset list. Anytime you want to reuse that cabinet with a different rig just highlight the Cab block in the rig and double click the preset. If you like the combination you can save it as a new rig. If you don't like it add a different cabinet preset until you find one you really like.
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Hi Alan, thanks for the kind explaining, i think we are on parallel path and i hope that we "cross" the mindset.
My answer here will be maybe long....but i try to explain all:
I read and i agree with what Mr. Kemper told some days ago regarding IRs, EQ curves etc. I am not Mr. Kemper, i am not meant to be Mr. Kemper or a competitor of Mr. Kemper even if i am engineer and with a background in acoustics too: if i profile a cab of Label X with Cones Y and Mic Z in the position W i have a "unique" dB-Freq curve, which can be transposed in term of EQ curve.
Let s not confuse the minds with the Torpedo workflow ( it is definitely a blending mathematical option by moving the mics), we think about a unique configuration X/Y/W/Z as said before.
I try to go one step beyond in deepdiving my idea, especially now, when i come from a noodling session with only merged profiles in the rig manager (the merged profiles pack) and some well done IRs of known cabs from a professional studio/vendor.
The IRs were given as demo-pack and converted in KPA files. So, this is the experience:
- using the studio profiles and then playing: The studio profiles sounded great as they were created, but a mess with the IR. Means , i experienced the same as many users say: a studio profile is a unique chain and sounds great as it is.
- then i went for merged profiles of the rig manager: BOOM! The impact of the IRs was magic. the TripleRect merged profile together with the MeBo IRs / KPA converted was so gorgeous and much much massive and detailled than the cab of the original merged profile.
- same feeling of great quality and dynamic sound happened with the test IRs and the direct profiles together.
- The obvservations were made with studio monitors
- i repeated the cases with my 4x12 DIY big cab with the 4x kemper kones in stereo format ( my avatar...), and run the system with activated kones in full range modality: results were exactly comparable as before with the studio monitors.
So, huge story of the evening to tell that a nice of well-done "kemper selected" Cabs of famous marks with selected speakers and mic position "official as presets" and specifically for a use with merged and direct profiles would be a great great enhancement: torpedo has in their last update for the CAB M+ official Mesa Boxes, official Orange Boxes, official Engl Boxes, official Suhr Boxes, official Revv Boxes and even Zilla and Soldano Boxes, FOR FREE. Why torpedo yes, and our holy Kemper (still) not?
I hope it is clear now what is my wish even if the message here is huuuuge
Regards, Enzo