You should know, that the loop adds a huuuge amount of latency - more than 7ms on top of the basic latency of the unit (without the latency of any pedals, just the loop itself).
So we learned and heard that the Fender TMP modelling is not able to get concvincing authentic amp models of other brands... especially the Marshall models are way off... waaaaay off.
The difference is evident when you think of an amps (high gain) Lead Channel. Even with gain reduced almost all the way down, it may offer still plenty of gain. Also the sound can change dramatically (thin and nasty for example) and you usually have to adjust the EQ.
With a Kemper profile taken from a sweet spot of that Lead channel, generic gain enables the user to bring down the gain to chrunch or even edge of breakup (not possible with the amp at all in this channel) and obtain the initial sound of the profile.
Changing only the gain with Liquid profiles imitates the channel of the real amp. And it may not be possible to get it to the crunch you want at all (or without sacrife) ... it also replicates the tonal change of the channel (maybe sounding shrill, thin and lifeless) without touching the EQ.
Installed a small switch / mod into my my 2010 Fender American Standard Stratocaster (which already has been upgraded some time ago with locking tuners and a prewired Fender HSS pickguard with Shawbucker and Noiseless pickups).
The switch only affects the Shawbucker and connects the blue 1nF ceramic capacitor (parallel, to ground). The effect is pretty much the same as what the res peak switch of the Seymour Duncan Pickup Booster does in setting 1 (820pF cap on the new and 1nF on the older model): Shifting the resonance peak of the pickup down.
I like the Shawbucker for what it does. It is a bright, low output and very dynamic pickup, that goes well with the single coils. But in some cases it can be a bit too much bite and spank and I would like to have a "classic sounding" humbucker. Tested a few caps and 1nF works best for me. It sounds subtle enough, but much more like a well balanced classic humbucker now. In high gain the effect seems subtle first, but it makes a huge difference for me. Without noise gate you can clearly hear how some (disturbing) high frequencies are cut out. I still get a cutting, but more pleasing metal tone without strange piercing highs. With 2nF and higher cap values it gets too much of a cocked wah tone (similar to SD Pickup Booster in setting 2).
I couldn't get the same results with tone control (feels like loosing some attack...) or with EQ (playing around with 5khz, 2.5khz...). And I didn't want to get rid of the unique sounding Shawbucker either. So it was a pretty simple cheap mod that turned out great and made this already versatile guitar even more flexible. Also dropped in an Orange Drop cap on the tone control, simply because I had one lying around unused...
Pickboy picks arrived today! The PEI / Ultem Series is not available in Germany, so I had to order in the USA.
Edge, Pos A Grip and Hi-Modulus design.
The Carbon/Nylon picks can produce static noise on electric guitar (in recording situation), because of its material mix.
So I am glad I have the Ultem alternative now. But I really love the Pos A Grip - both Ultem and Polycarbonate. They say - for what ever reason - 1.00mm, but they are very stiff and noticeable thicker (around 1.40mm when I remember correctly). The Polycarbonate is on the brighter side, but not cheap sounding at all. Very good pick.
I like Triangle Picks.
First row: Techpicks Italy with different materials. I like them how they are, but also mod them with different bevels, slightly smaller, less round...
Row 2: BlueChip TP60 and STP60 (which is slightly smaller than small Primetone), Wegen CF140 (I polished the surface and slightly optimized bevel),
Dunlop Primetone Tri smooth 1.4, then small Tri 1.5 and small Tri 1.4
Row 3: Dunlop Primetone Tri Grip small in 1.5, 1.4, 1.3, Akira Takasaki Primetone in 1.4 and with grip polished off, Gravity Striker Standard 1.5 RH speed bevel
Row 4: Three custom Ultem picks, Ernie Ball Prodigy small 2.0 and 1.5, Dunlop Petrucci Trinity Pick
Row 5: Dunlop Gator Grip 1.0, Dunlop Flex Triangle 1.14 and a modded smaller version, Ibanez Hard Elastomer 2.2 and smaller mod
Row 6: Classic Celluloid Triangle Pick (346 style), next ChickenPicks Bermuda III pointy and regular in 2.7 and 2.1mm
thanks to the recommendations here, I still play Prime Tones, but usually not live since they have a tendency to disappear and our singer who plays acoustic in a few songs loooves to come over and ask for a pick.
The black Jazz III XL is my default go to, but currently I'm giving the Jazz III Tortex 1.35mm a try and after a few shows I'm quite happy with them.
Dunlop Tortex Jazz III... Andy Timmons manages to get some great tones out of them
I think he plays 1.14.
Fun fact: I practiced for months not to always touch the strings with pick AND finger. Then I heard Andy Timmons explain, he likes the small Jazz III because his finger is simultaneously touching the strings for articulate tone. So I am back holding the pick that way
This is how the Gravity Gold Series Standard picks look in original. Unaltered they sound much warmer / rounder. A bit like the Dunlop Delrin 500 many will know. With other bevels and sharper tip they produce brighter tones.
I have tons of new picks to test here. Very interesting ones like TECHPICKS ITALY or Presicion Pick from "Dan's Guitar Store", Ibanez Elastomer, different Pickboy Ultem picks, Dunlop Jason Richardson Signature, Big Stubby Nylon... Techpicks Italy are cool, but some materials contain something like graphite or carbon and can make static noise on electric guitar (similar to Adamas Picks). But one is called TP4 and the material seems to be molded Torlon/PAI (I guess). This is very nice (but I make my own version out of them - less round with slightly different bevel).
I will once in a while post new findings here, but it's hard for me to try out all that stuff and play guitar at the moment, because of chemotherapy side effects and fighting for life
I really like the GRAVITY Gold Series. It's the cheaper line compared to the older Gold Classic picks, but made out of the same durable material (PEEK).
Because it is only available in one (molded) standard form, I use them as basis to make my own picks / shapes - see above.
Soundwise PEEK is in the middle between Vespel (BlueChip Picks) and Ultem - a tiny bit crisper than Vespel, but not as much highs as Ultem.
I have to correct my statement from above. It does not seem to be a "pretty o.k." sounding unit, it's instead a big disappointment (for me)! From all the many demo videos available yet and all the influencers trying very, very hard: None of the tones sound good. It sounds sooo cheap, like a modeller from 10 years ago. WTF?!
I wanted to like it. I wanted this thing to be great. But this thing is no Quad Cortex killer, not even a Helix killer. Let's see if updates bring some improvements in tone, but I don't believe in a big step up. Soundwise this thing is on the level of Hotone, NUX and other cheapos... at best.
I guess people with no modeller experience or newcomer may like the whole package and don't be aware of how mediocre (or dare I say "bad") this thing sounds.
What a pity...
I was quite excited, but... unfortunately none of the demos available yet sounded really convincing to me. "Pretty o.k." at best. Reminds me most likely to some cheaper Boss modelling stuff.
The best answer is: try it. Be aware that it will change something only whe you actually move the controls
Except: When the profiles have been tweaked before (by the seller or yourself), changing the tonestack only DOES already alter the tone.
Nobody can make liquid profiles of JVM, because Kemper is not offering any JVM tonestack yet!
In addition to my post above:
Tested... there is NO difference in sound and feel when using unaltered, untweaked profiles (when adding different tonestacks).
Also made myself some liquid profiles where I know the settings (set gain pot reference and EQ then burn and save); after that it still sounds absolutely the same as the original profile. But now can be tweaked with the original amps EQ in mind.
I think there are 3 main points that make some think liquid sounds or feels better:
1. People using it "wrong" / did not understand it completely yet: They flip tonestacks to random, already tweaked profiles and of course in this case there is a difference. No problem using it this way if it sounds good. But making wrong conclusion is misleading...
2. They now have the courage to finally tweak the knobs and use Kemper EQ (and it's maybe easier now). Adding some treble... makes it instantly feel better...yeah
3. Just imagination...even if the creator itself says there is no difference
Everyone says including kemper there no change, but if you flip through the tonestacks i find there is. Its slight but when you turn a knob just a little its then you realize that the profile now feels better an clearer than the stock. But you cant hear it when you flip through?
What profiles are you using? Completely unaltered, untweaked profiles? If there has been any small changes in the gain setting and tone controls after profiling (made by the author / seller / user), that profile will sound slightly different when flipping through tonestacks, because the "tweaks" now translate different.
Was confused what the "Fan Pro" is based on. Now I see it has no "Middle", so i guess it is a Fender Pro Amp, but not the newer 68 Custom Pro Reverb.